House will vote on cannabis legalization bill in December

A false aralia can draw some attention too!

 

Wait a minute!!!! I thought we were in the myst of a global pandemic and ALL efforts must be geared toward containing the virus and vaccinating everyone but the Democrats put this before that? At least that is their mantra when Trump says he was doing something else too.

 

One little question on "legalization", will they remove pot use from the disqualifications to purchase or have in one's possession a FIREARM? Something for us Second Amendment advocates to consider...you know, the old "back door" approach.

 

Nice. I should replace my Texas Stars with those plants. They would make my Springs a little less intense.

Bummer about the meadow muffins. I've thought about nosing around a few moo farms in my day but never got around to it. For some reason, I don't think my wife would appreciate me running around with blue teeth acting all loopy...



LOL - Something tells me the creators of Spongebob Squarepants have done a few 'shrooms in their day...

"Look mom - I made my irises go away!"

 

LOL - He's even got an embroidered shirt.

What a story...

 

LOL That was long ago, I no longer eat them, but there was a time....
I brought that cranberry hibiscus home from a vacant lot, I was riding my bike and had no spade and literally ripped it up and transplanted it, when it died I tossed it in the yard and the seed kinda scattered and up they came, if only weed grew so easy but no....but rot and aphids are the thing here, indica dominant strains are most vulnerable as the (almost) daily rains dont let the buds dry. A greenhouse fixes that though!

 

If the law changes, ATF Form 4473 question 21 e. will change. I voted for the legalization in Colorado, too bad the Californians moved here after that.

I also have a security clearance. I can drink alcohol within reason, but in Colorado MJ is legal while federally it is not. I don't take any, but my wife has back pain that she did take some MJ for. With my security clearance, I told her that was illegal federally and she stopped. Hopefully this will make it legal federally, for medical reasons at least.

 

Is that a hardy hibiscus? The reason we grow the Texas Stars is because they can handle the winters in Zone 7 and they're tough as nails. One time I thought one of them was dead and I dug it up and threw the root ball in the woods. A couple months later I was stumbling around back there and the thing was still alive! 10 years later that plant is still growing out in my front yard.....with the poppies....

 

Not sure, I'm a 100 miles south of Tampa and there are plants growing here (such as mango trees) that wont grow there. I could mail you some seeds in perhaps a month when they get ready, you could give it a go and see.

 

I agree 100% that the Gov't has no legitimate authority to make any law messing with essential liberty "Of its own Volition" -
Remember that Gov't does have power to make law within its legitimate purview of protection from harm - direct harm - one person on another - rape - murder - theft - and so on.

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

The DOI deals specifically with "Legitimacy of Authority" stipulating 1) what are the legitimate powers of Gov't - and also what is NOT - the legitimate authority -

and 2) who grants that authority and on what basis - where that authority comes from - and contrary to RR - it is not God ... or "Divine Right" as was the case in the past. That authority comes from we the people "consent of the Govorned".

And this gets into the Social Contract. The People have the authority to allow Gov't to make law messing with essential liberty - and this happens all the time - and is perfectly legitimate.

So the people can grant power to Gov't to make law - which obviously begs the question "On What Basis"

Unfortunately the founders were not as clear as they could have been - because at the time everyone knew and it was just assumed perhaps. They did use 75% of states as the bar for change to the constitution and 2/3rds is used in congress for impeachment - and it is "impeachment" not of just the President but the whole system of Gov't that we are discussing here.

in any case .. the main idea here is that 50+1 is not enough ... the bar is higher for messing with essential liberty. If Gov't wants to make some law messing with essential liberty - outside its legitimate purview - it must appeal to "we the people" and we must grant consent .. 67% being the bar.

So I disagree with you that there is no bar.. there has to be in order for society to function ... and 100% is not realistic .. you always have a few moron's in the crowd... someone who thinks that murder should not be criminalized .. or that incest is best.

 

Sure, I could probably find a street dealer and purchase cannabis. The impossibility, for me, comes from the fact that I’m not willing to risk my family’s wellbeing with a possible arrest. I also don’t care for purchasing anything I intend to consume that does not have some form of regulation and quality control.

I’ll assume you’re not making an argument against legalization here, but if you are this is a poor argument.

 

Not sure it was put before ? The "Hero's act" is the first order of business - 2.2 Trillion gonna fall from the tree.

 

You assume correct, I have no problem with legalization and will wait for my party to support it. I wont vote democrat, even for that.

 

I take it, you support not wearing masks.

 

I'm for legalization but expect crime to surge for awhile because these drug dealing thugs will have to find OTHER ways to make money. They could be smart though and band together to open up their own chain of dispensaries.

 

Fair enough. Hopefully that comes sooner rather than later. With the overwhelming support that legalization enjoys I’m shocked that any politician seeking a vote isn’t on board.

 

I wonder why people want pot so bad that they would risk this, though. Is it that addictive?

 

Sure! There’s nothing better at preventing crime than giving citizens more legal opportunities to advance in society.

 

I’m not aware of any studies that have shown addictive qualities in cannabis. It’s fun to do, so people will do it.

 

The data on traffic fatalities is mixed.
Most places show an initial increase followed by a decrease.
People go out to drink at bars.
People go home to do pot, there are no pot bars.
There will be some arrests, after all there are stupid people out there but,
compared to decreases in criminal activity,
safer products (won't find pot laced with crack or meth at your dispensary)
Revenues from sales
decreases in spending on criminal enforcement of pot laws
Greater ability to keep pot away from kids
and generally a less racist law enforcement stance...

This should pass.

 

It's insane that pot and shrooms are schedule one while, coke, heroin and meth are schedule 2. Trump did remove hemp from the list though.

 

This is not true.
The only real difference is that people on pot seem to realize the decrease in driving skills
While people on alcohol seem to be unaware

But driving high is really no different than driving drunk.

 

It impairs driving so unless you are getting rid of alcohol this will increase.

A wider availability means more not less children will smoke.

If you think Mexico is simply walking away from a billion dollar a year profit because we make it legal you are fooling yourself.

 

Absolutely agree 100%. There a whole host of social issues that I believe led to that, but I’ll save it for another thread.
Wasn’t aware Trump did that. Not enough to redeem him in my eyes, but good on him all the same.

 

I don't see illegal sales dropping significantly, especially since they can undercut dispensaries prices AND sell to minors.