House will vote on cannabis legalization bill in December

Very true. However, this has been greatly watered down by the federal government's glomming power they don't constitutionally have abetted by looesy goosey interpretations by SCOTUS. The framers of course worried about state power, but their thinking was that the people can much more easily rectify state encroachment than they can federal encroachment. Plus the Constitution was not written for states.

 

Nonsense as well as partisan bullshit.
Anyone who can’t multitask isn’t fit for public service.

 

In our culture, with a it’s primary emphasis on individual freedom rather than consensus, the diversity among the states proves to be a force for stability, especially when demagogues are trying to stage a coup d’etat and weak minded people are abetting him.

 

You are just a purist

 

Yes partisan BS when the left shouted COVID COVID COVID and complained the President was actually doing something else too. Now it comes back to to bite them. More hypocrisy.

 

That's not what we heard previously and we heard the constant rants by the Dems and left that Trump should only be working on COVID.

 

Back in the 70's Motor Trend magazine decided to do their own little test on the effects so some of the writers went out to the track and set up various test and then full course. They all drove straight and then smoked some pot and did their runs again and smoked a little more and did their runs again and guess what. Not only was there little effect a couple of them actually had better times and less cones knocked down. And at the one point they all said "ok that's enough pot for me" while they could still drive a car. That's one of the differences with alcohol the tendency is to just keep drinking and do it constantly while pot smokers will hit their point they want to be and stop.

Here is one actually scientific study

Abstract
The prevalence of both alcohol and cannabis use and the high morbidity associated with motor vehicle crashes has lead to a plethora of research on the link between the two. Drunk drivers are involved in 25% of motor vehicle fatalities, and many accidents involve drivers who test positive for cannabis. Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies. Combining marijuana with alcohol eliminates the ability to use such strategies effectively, however, and results in impairment even at doses which would be insignificant were they of either drug alone. Epidemiological studies have been inconclusive regarding whether cannabis use causes an increased risk of accidents; in contrast, unanimity exists that alcohol use increases crash risk. Furthermore, the risk from driving under the influence of both alcohol and cannabis is greater than the risk of driving under the influence of either alone. Future research should focus on resolving contradictions posed by previous studies, and patients who smoke cannabis should be counseled to wait several hours before driving, and avoid combining the two drugs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

Marihuana today is not the cheap Mexican stuff of the Cheech and Chong, Fastimes are Ridgemont High days with all the bad not THC Delta-9 content but the higher lower forms and cannibanols that gave the doping bad effects. That is why, regardless of the hysterical "it's more powerful now so people are getting more stone" canards, people don't smoke as much and have higher levels of ability when they do. A quarter ounce of pot these days last longer than a full ounce would back then for a regular smoker because smokers self regulate and no one smokes to pass out.................and cost a lot more!

 

Legalize it and tax it. But treat it like alcohol. No way I want people driving around high. No way I want to work with people too high to function or be served by those too high to do their job. And certainly allow businesses to regulate themselves. We can’t allow dumb ****s to sue companies that don’t let them spend 24/7 blitzed. A business should be in their rights to not allow you to be high just like you cant get drunk and show up.

I’d love to try some edibles.

 

Thanks for the offer.

I did a little research on them last night and they're a tropical plant like most hibiscuses.

Many moons ago I used to keep a few around as potted plants and then move them in when it got cold but that didn't work out so well for me and especially the plants...

 

I am for the legalization of old school marijuana. Not the modern day hash oil with > than 90 percent THC. The war on drugs is an expensive example of big government run amok. It a metric used by the DEA for measuring success (the higher the price of street drugs the better) is probably the same metric used by the drug cartels.

Now if people drive imparted, regardless of the reason, cite or arrest them for being impaired. If they want to sit around at home and be impaired that is called freedom.

 

There's probably a reason for that:

Green Tobacco Sickness
https://www.osha.gov/green-tobacco-sickness

I've seen some of the dudes harvesting tobacco around here dressed in Hazmat suits - I sh*t you not.

Unless you know what you're doing, growing tobacco is probably best left to the professionals...

 

Yes .. it is a mess on many levels -- which is why we need to get back to basics. We seem to have lost our measurement stick. 12 years of school and we manage not to teach a kid "The basics" w/r to the founding principles. 12 years and we fail to teach them what a logical fallacy is .. the basics of Philosophy - critical thinking - what constitutes a valid argument .. and so on.

Without a measurement stick and some basic guidance how is Average Joe supposed to wade through cacophony of fallacy and bad argument reigning down on a daily basis from Politicians and the MSM ?

 

The "primary emphasis" has shifted from the individual to the collective - and not necessarily on the basis of consensus of the collective.

Decriminalization would be a win for the consensus - but a very rare one.

Justification for law is increasingly on the basis of Utilitarianism "what will increase happiness for the collective" - with no regard for individual liberty.

Nor does this justification necessarily take the "consensus" into consideration - particularly in the case of fallacious utilitarianism - which is now at plague proportions in this nation.

 

Absolutely true.

They could wade through the swamp as best they can, or, as is usually the case, they pay it no mind, like throwing a dart blindfolded -- not very accurate but very easy.

 

Congratulations to the 39 out of 40 who voted "YES" There may be hope for humanity yet !

For the one that voted no - Time to join the freedom club !

 

Weed is less destructive than Alcohol.

I'm a Libertarian when it comes to drugs. If you are in your own home, away from everyone else, then it's not my business.

 

Never said that. Try responding to what was written. If possible.

 

Hey! Using in any amount and getting behind the wheel is just plain stupid.
So, go ahead.
Evolution will be served

But since experience doesn't impress you

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/researchers-injected-people-with-thc-to-test-their-motor-skills/

"What the researchers found is generally consistent with earlier studies: the THC infusion “resulted in robust and significant deficits in motor performance” in a dose-dependent manner.

... when it comes to fine motor skills and response time, the study showed evidence that THC impaired the participants. The higher dose (0.03 mg/kg) led to poorer performance compared to the low dose (0.015 mg/kg)."

Studies confirm what any pot user already knows.

 

Well then, treat it like alcohol.

Edibles soon. But take it easy with the edibles and don't do them alone.
Lots of ER visits by pot tourists who decided to eat till they got high
Which, of course means, that by the time they got high, most of the edibles were still in their stomachs.
Panic attacks are common among pot users.
Not bad but, of course the higher the person, the worse the attack.

 

Already stated that is some impairment .. the question is one of significance. I do not suggest someone who does does not smoke regularly do massive bong hits of high test and get behind the wheel right after. That is just stupid - but, within an hour - even this person is fine .. the major effects worn off.

Notice with this study - as I already stated to you- has no impact on regular users hence why -- "Second, the participants hadn’t used cannabis in at least the past three months, which means the effects were likely more pronounced than they would be in a frequent users whose developed a tolerance"

 

It is nothing like alcohol - get a grip -- and your "refer Madness" propaganda "Panic Attacks" is laughable nonsense - taking some idiot who ingests a massive dose and pretending this represents general reality.

 

I posted a study that replicated what I had said earlier when you called me ignorant.
Another user posted a different study that replicated both the one I posted and my words.
So, I will postulate one of to solutions:

First: You are completely ignorant of the subject having never used or only used a few times in your life, or

Second: You are way too familiar with the subject and are suffering from the effects of chronic marijuana abuse.

Every one of these studies identify the same parameters I identified earlier as influencing the impact on any individual and those factors mean using before driving or while driving is just plain stupid.
If you are using pot before or while driving then you need to quit before you kill someone.

 

Try looking up the word "CONTEXT." Then come back and edit your post.

And, again, you continue to demonstrate your lack of knowledge of the topic.
You're as bad as the one who wants pot illegal because they "don't like it."

 

Edibles are very potent for sure.