Kamala Harris wishes everyone a happy Kwanzaa

Hey, hey!

No take-backs!

You can't say you are done with this argument, and then jump back in.

Be true to your word.

 

Arguing for the purpose of arguing. He told me St. Patrick's Day has nothing to do with Irish people. LMAO.

 

I think you’re right. He made up a narrative in his head and will continue to argue it even thought the narrative is fake. St Patrick’s Day has nothing to do with Irish people, eh? Wow...that’s a new one...haha

 

Many people do claim that it is a holiday. In fact, @yardmeat is actually arguing that Kwanza is a holiday. So your statement is not based in fact. Kamala saying, "Happy Kwanza," at least in theory, is meant for the people who do celebrate Kwanza as a holiday. My point is that they are wrong; it's not a holiday. It's a fake holiday. Fake, just like her.

 

I never said that.

(Again, I thought you were done with this conversation.)

Quote me where I said that is has nothing to do with Irish people.

 

Ok, so ONE person. Wow...that’s quite a big deal. Glad you were here to prevent it from spreading to a second person. Phew....crisis averted. I know I’ll sleep better tonight.
So again, it doesn’t need to be a holiday to celebrate it. There are plenty of things that aren’t holidays that people celebrate. Why do you care?

 

Okay.

So you agree that Kwanza is not a holiday?

 

What tipped you off? The fact that I haven’t claimed it is a holiday? Nothing gets by you doesn’t, eh? Sharp. As. A. Tack.

 

Stop fencing with me, ECA.

Yes or no, is Kwanza a holiday?

(Edit: Looks like you're taking your time answering the question. Your silence is evidence that you do agree that Kwanza is a real holiday, but you wished to play semantic games, instead of just being real.)

 

I wonder if he said, "My name is Maulana Ndabezitha Karenga--or Ronald, for short."

 

Or....I was eating dinner. Sheesh...do you work your life around this site? Sorry, but I don’t.
Anywho...how is it possible you have to keep asking me a question I have already answered? I don’t believe you’re that dense. So you are clearly trolling.

 

You have not clearly answered the question. You're fencing, dodging.

Yes or no, is Kwanza a holiday?

(You just have to say one word. Just one.)

 

she is culturally appropriating like obama, they are not the descendants of slaves in America.

people who celebrate kwanzaa are entitled to reparations.

 

Not dodging anything. Asked and answered. Not my fault you’re having comprehension issues.

 

You've been repeating yourself, making the same argument for pages now, and when asked to simply give a direct answer on whether you believe Kwanza is a fake holiday, you dodge.

This simply means that you have been implicitly arguing that Kwanza is a real holiday.

To which, to reiterate my point all along, I respond by saying that Kwanza is a fake holiday.

Done here.

Next victim!

 

I guess I just don't believe that she actually did celebrate Kwanzaa as a child. I'm not saying she can't, or doesn't have the right to celebrate it, I just don't think that she actually did. It's a small point that doesn't seem to deserve a 14 page (and counting) thread. It's simple; either you think she is lying or you don't. I think she's lying

 

I agree. Her credibility in this department of being woke has been shot. She lost me when she mentioned smoking weed, while listening to Snoop Dogg and Tupac, before either of them had released an album, not to mention vociferously implying that Joe Biden was a racist who associated himself with segregationist, but then joined his ticket for political expediency. Given her lack of authenticity and that she does not say anything before thorough political calculation, I agree: I think she is lying about celebrating Kwanza.

 

NM515, I've been following your posts and pretty much agree with everything you've said. While you do make a valid point in this post, my experiences, and I'm from the same generation of Harris, is different.

My father's parents are Italian and Armenian, my mother's Irish and German. I grew up in Fort Lee, NJ, which you might better know as the place where Bridgegate occurred. Back then, at the exact same time Harris was growing up, Fort Lee was mostly populated with Italians and Jews with a few others sprinkled in but of no consequence to the two majorities I just mentioned. While there was no hostility or anything like that, the Italians stuck with the Italians, not because they were white, but because they were Italian. My father owned a dry cleaners and the mafia types from NYC who lived in Fort Lee would go to my father for no other reason than he was Italian. The Jews stuck together among themselves and they would chose to do business with another Jew if possible before going to someone else. Even the Dominicans and Puerto Ricans from NYC didn't mingle together, the PRs stayed with the PRs and the Dominicans stayed with the Dominicans and they did as much business among themselves just like the Jews and Italians did. There were very few blacks in my high school when I attended, 3 to be exact. But they heavily populated a town a few miles north called Englewood. They pretty much stuck to themselves, did business among themselves, but they were not blacks from Jamaica or any where like that. Even today a town called Bergenfield is full of Filipinos, not Samoans, or the patchwork group referred to as Asians, just Filipinos and they stick together like no one's business. Even today, Fort Lee has taken on a lot of Russians and Eastern Europeans and they stick together because of their background. Better still, the Japanese and Koreans get along with each other, but they don't go out of their way to socialize with each other. Fort Lee, because of its location, has taken in a lot of people from around the world, they get along as in they don't start trouble with each other, but each ethnicity sticks together, which I'm sure will change as they move through the next generation or three.

What I'm saying is my experience is people roll with their own ethnicity first and race is probably second. This is why I have my doubts about a first generation Jamaican Indian warming up to a newly created black holiday.

Did I explain that right?

Edit: And the reason why I mentioned the Armenians, Irish and Germans is because the few Armenians in Fort Lee at the time stuck together whenever possible as did the Irish. The Irish even had their own bar, everyone was welcome, but that's where the Irish hung out for the most part. The Germans, there's wasn't many of them and they were just there getting along with everyone.

 

Your post makes sense for Jersey, New York & Chicago. California? Not so much.

I think it's entirely possible it happened. She was raised in Berkeley. The Kwanzaa celebration started in 1966, in Los Angeles, in response to the race riots / Civil rights unrest in 1965. She was considered a black person. I find it entirely plausible her family were early participants and find no reason to doubt her.

 

I celebrated Festivus once.

 

According to the people who made those claims, liberals by the way, Harris is a racist. She must be cancelled immediately.

 

Well I've referred to her as Jamaican-Indian although I didn't think it was any trend I was starting; it just seemed a necessary identification because, although I understand that you think of her as African-American, I do not. I associate that term to ADOS people, the descendants of American slavery. And although I take your point that we do think of biracial people as Black in the US, I don't see that applying outside of the United States. In America, there is still an unofficial one drop rule that doesn't exist elsewhere. Kwanzaa is a uniquely African-American thing. It's not really a worldwide holiday for those on the darker side of the paper bag test. So the idea that it would be in Harris's wheelhouse seems unlikely.

 

I really can't speak for how things were in CA back then, all I can do is relate to my own experience. But having lived in So Cal for 21 years, I can say the Mexicans roll with other Mexicans, blacks roll with other blacks, Asians with Asians, etc.