DC hotel frequented by Proud Boys to close Jan. 4-6

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  1. cd8ed

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    Every hotel has a cancellation rider in their agreement. It would be laughed out of court — but team maga should be use to that by now.
     
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    It is funny that so many liberals miss the point. If the Hotel did not shutdown during the BLM rallies then to shutdown during a Conservative rally is clearly discriminatory. Further, the stated reasons they claimed necessitated a shutdown were not valid, and discriminatory. They claimed that the Proud Boys packed the Bar causing them to be cited three times for violating the city's COVID-19 protocols. Yet, they made the decision to serve all the Proud Boys that arrived at the bar. They could have enforced the protocols by refusing to serve those in excess of the protocols. I have no doubt that the bar decision to ignore the protocols was a monetary decision. They further claimed that the Proud Boys made African American and Hispanic staff and guest nervous. If they had restricted service to whites for being uncomfortable by minority guests, the same liberals would have attacked the Hotel for discrimination.

    On the issue of the Christian Bakers, the SCOTUS ruled that they have the right to refuse to support gay marriages in accordance with their religious freedoms. The fact is that these Christian Bakers does not refuse to service gays except for gay weddings. That means that they are not discriminating against g
    It is funny that so many liberals miss the point. If the Hotel did not shutdown during the BLM rallies then to shutdown during a Conservative rally is clearly discriminatory. Further, the stated reasons they claimed necessitated a shutdown were not valid, and discriminatory. They claimed that the Proud Boys packed the Bar causing them to be cited three times for violating the city's COVID-19 protocols. Yet, they made the decision to serve all the Proud Boys that arrived at the bar. They could have enforced the protocols by refusing to serve those in excess of the protocols. I have no doubt that the bar decision to ignore the protocols was a monetary decision. They further claimed that the Proud Boys made African American and Hispanic staff and guest nervous. If they had restricted service to whites for being uncomfortable by minority guests, the same liberals would have attacked the Hotel for discrimination.


    On the issue of the Christian Bakers, the SCOTUS ruled that they have the right to refuse to support gay marriages in accordance with their religious freedoms. The fact is that these Christian Bakers does not refuse to service gays except for gay weddings. That means that they are not discriminating against gays except where it involves a recognized religious ceremony. All states allow religious leaders to preform weddings. That means that all states recognize weddings as a religious ceremony.
     
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    In the real world, it is very hard to make these judgements in the moment, certainly for relatively junior staff but even for managers. It's perfectly plausible that on reflection they decided this was hassle they didn't want.
     
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    Indeed! On another thread about Mitch, @Borat stated: "He was not reelected to be loved, he was reelected to terrify and destroy the libs. So far he is delivering on his promises bigly."

    Anyone who thinks it is the job of their politicians to terrify and destroy the opposition is proof of your thoughts that the animosity may not be healed.
     
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    So what? Failure to read a contract is not a valid reason to not be held accountable to a contract.

    You can cancel your reservation, too, for any reason. Usually, if you cancel more than a day or two ahead of time, there is no fee. This doesn't mean that you discriminated against the hotel.
     
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    The Heart of Atlanta Motel was an independent business also. Yet, the SCOTUS ruled in 1964 that they could not discriminate based on race.

    Limiting Constitutionally protected freedoms is illegal. Limiting freedoms that are not protected under the US Constitution is not illegal. For this Hotel to shutdown during because a predominately white organization wanted to stay at the Hotel is discriminatory. Especially since they did not shutdown during the BLM rallies.
     
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    Yes. They've lost sight of the goal.

    We are at a point where team "other" is unpatriotic and hell bent on destroying America.

    We have ALWAYS disagreed on how to get "there." Never before was team other unpatriotic for believing in a different path. I'm hoping the middle voices will reign supreme. The noisy hater partisans on both teams will fade into nothingness if the middle stays strong.
     
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    What BLM people are being allowed to stay at the hotel during the time frame?
     
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    I have moved from semi agreeing with the right, to not agreeing but understanding, to not understanding and now I am at detesting what they stand for. What they stand for is against every value a functioning democracy stands for (or democratic republic before one of them storms in with the correction).
     
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    Do you understand the difference between “no one can stay here” and “only this specific group cannot stay here”?

    Stores frequently close for Christmas. Is that also discrimination? What if I want to shop?
     
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    Indeed, since the moment everyone disagreeing with Obama was accused of racism the quality of discourse did in fact collapse drastically.

    Lest we of course forget that in 2008 discourse was already at all time low after 8 years of the left's pathological hatred of GWB. You remember, it was GWB who was a racist, a fascist, an idiot, a warmonger, an illegitimate president between 2000 and 2008, don't you?
     
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    Hmm, the members of not my president, resist, impeach, harass, persecute, cancel, intimidate, sabotage, boycott crowd don't seem to know that they live in glass houses, judging by stones they throw.
     
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    Nope, I was in high school — I had other things on my mind. All I remember was the “party of no” and Republicans only goal was “make Obama a one term president”. Then I remember the trolling and cheering that trump was “gettin the libz” and “f*** your feelings”. Democrats may have started it in your mind but y’all have taken it to an entirely new level. Y’all have turned something that was intense disagreement to outright hatred.

    And Bush was an idiot and the wars were started on false pretenses though. I don’t think he did a bad job overall however, but those two facts are facts.
     
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    If you had told me a year ago that the democrats would appear to be the more adult party today, I would have LMAO so hard. There was no way that the republicans could turn completely tinfoil hat insane levels of dumb in just one year. Right?

    But, no, team R doubled down with a "Hold our beer!"

    Truly disturbing.
     
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    I wonder if you would accept a president that was elected to “terrify and destroy” you? You can’t even accept one that is saying let’s work together so I think we can all assume the answer there.

    What did Republicans do to Obama? Definitely tried to cancel him, obstructed him, harassed him, intimidated him, sabotaged him. Did you take issue with that or did you find your moral compass after trump was elected?
     
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    I hate the two party system. It has turned everyone into the belief that their team is more important than the nation. I don’t see it ending well
     
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    Did Trump have the FBI and DOJ spying on Obama, his staff and supporters? No.
     
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    LOL, Republicans intensely opposed Obama's policies and wanted him to lose reelection... duh, how dare the opposition party... Jeez).

    What the Dems did to Trump though - lies, smear, slander, resist, harass, boycott, persecute, impeach, Russia hoax, Ukraine hoax - that's in the league of its own. Lest we forget 98% negative media coverage, lest we forget censorship and suppression of information, lest we forget broken election laws...

    What is worse though, the libs have been treating half the country that are Trump supporters just like they've been treating Trump - non-stop lies, smear, slander, harassment, intimidation, violence, "cancellations". The last time this happened in America, it was called McCarthyism.
     
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    Were any of the people they were spying on guilty?

    Also, we have no idea what trump has done. We will likely be finding out though — and hopefully it takes his entire party with him.
     
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    I guess you have not heard the term white privilege, or read the posts of members of this forum that make the claim that whites can not be discriminate against? I guess you practice selective reading. Here are some articles that make the same claim:

    Can White People Be Victims of Racism? Here’s What You Learn If You Google That. | The Daily Wire
    Racism against white people doesn't exist in America, and here's why | HelloGiggles
    7 reasons why reverse racism doesn't exist | The Daily Dot
    What does 'reverse racism' mean and is it actually real? Experts weigh in (msn.com)

    I could keep going, but that gives you enough to prove that you have no ideal what you are posting.

    Wrong again!! Here is a snippet from a CNN articles that disproves your claim:

    Snip~
    Kennedy wrote that there is room for religious tolerance, pointing specifically to how the Colorado commission treated Phillips by downplaying his religious liberty concerns.

    “At the same time the religious and philosophical objections to gay marriage are protected views and in some instances protected forms of expression,” Kennedy wrote, adding that the “neutral consideration to which Phillips was entitled was compromised here.”

    “The commission’s hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment’s guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion,” Kennedy said, adding to say that the case was narrow.
    Snip ~
    Supreme Court rules for Colorado baker in same-sex wedding cake case (cnn.com)

    Would you make the same claim if they chose to shutdown on the days of a BLM rally? I doubt that you would not see that as discrimination.

    As I have said many times, if they did not shutdown during an African American rally, then they are discriminating against whites. Yes, they are shutdown for everyone, but that is not a practice they do not shutdown for all ethnic rallies. Further they stated reasons for shutting down was discriminatory. They claimed that the Proud Boys made African American Guests and Staff nervous. If they shutdown because African Americans and Hispanics made some white guest and staff nervous, you would not have a problem with that? You don't think they would be sued for racial discrimination?

    The only thing proven is that you have a selective view, and complete misunderstanding of the issue of discrimination. You ignored the fact that numerous articles and even posts on the forum supports the claim that whites can not be discriminated against. You misstated the SCOTUS ruling on Christian Bakers. You refuse to recognize the Hotel's actions is not consistant with actions against other ethnic groups. You really should research the issue before posting.
     
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    Not one for anything they were spied on about. None. More than just spying, there also was outright attempts at entrapment, criminally altering government records and creating false reports.
     
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    Yes, but does the Hotel close for any other ethnic group? Yes or no?
     
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    I was on this very forum when Obama was president. Everything you are accusing the left of doing was done by the right to Obama.

    trump has deserved far worse than he has received but hopefully his recompense is coming.
     
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    If it treats everyone equally there is zero discrimination.
     
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    You are truly confused about what discrimination is.

    Here's discrimination:

    Black guy: I'd like a room please.
    Hotel: Sorry, we don't have any rooms.
    ~40 seconds later
    White guy: I'd like a room please.
    Hotel: Here you go, room 234


    Here's not discrimination.

    Black guy: I'd like a room please.
    Hotel: Sorry, we're closed
    ~40 seconds later
    White guy: I'd like a room please.
    Hotel: Sorry, we're closed



    Can you tell the difference?
     
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