On poverty

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  1. Bluesguy

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    I have not declared anyone a "victim" so how could I "blame" someone for being one? I don't know of any right of which I have been stripped either. What I did was take advantage of my rights and opportunities and therefore I was never poor. I didn't pay anyone for permission to work other than the two times I was forced into a union and I had to pay them.

    You might want to go and study the caste system in some other countries where daughters are sold into marriage even by the wealthy. That's not here though. You have a right to better yourself and take advantage of all the opportunities that are available to you but it's up to YOU to do so. And as I pointed out in my list, do those things and your are almost guarantied to never live in poverty.
     
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    It's built the greatest one every known and to claim communism is supply-side economics is laughable.
     
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    Which goes to the landlord, not the renter.
    Because they are the ones getting it, not the renter.
    And someone else is collecting it, too.

    See how that works?
     
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    You blame the victims BY refusing to know that they ARE victims.
    You don't know any of the relevant facts, because you choose not to. What stops you from using any land you wish, as our remote ancestors did to survive for millions of years? What stops you from producing products covered by IP monopolies? What stops you from issuing money, as banks do?
    Good for you. Others don't have the same ability.
    You paid landowners for permission to access a location from which you could work. You just choose not to know that fact.
    I'm not talking about marriage.
    Because here, a democratically accountable government rescues the poor from enslavement by the privileged.
    As long as you pay the privileged for permission.
    While the privileged are guaranteed to never live in poverty even if they don't do any of those things, because their privileges legally entitle them to take a portion of what those who do do those things produce.

    See how that works?
     
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    So how are the poor doing in CA, where the right wing has no influence?
     
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    The right wing, via Proposition 13, is in total control of CA even though most of its proponents are long dead. The left could not even get Proposition 15 passed, proving the wealthy, privileged right has total control of public policy in the state. CA committed suicide when it passed Prop 13, and compared to Prop 13, there is no other significant government policy in the state. As long as Prop 13 is in effect, nothing else matters.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    No and I don't think you do either and make lots of assumptions.
     
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    I'm addressing ONLY YOU. Are you living as a capitalist (renting, selling your labour, paying for services, etc)? If you are, your arguments are as ridiculous as claiming you're the King of France.
     
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    They just point into the far distance and say "they're the capitalists, way over there!".

    It's very funny :p
     
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    Yes, I am laughing out loud at your response. So are you gonna pretend that communism is a demand-side economic system? Built the greatest one for whom? The mantra of right-wing socialists: If you ain't rich, you don't matter.
     
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    Here are the poorest states that are controlled by the National Plutocratic People's Socialist Party:

    Poorest States by Median Income

    Now, the opposite end of the spectrum. These states have the lowest median incomes.

    1. Mississippi
    • Median Household Income: $45,792 (2019)17
    • Population: 2.98 million (2019)18
    • Unemployment Rate: 7.4% (2020)19
    • Poverty Rate: 19.6% (2019)20

    Despite 35% of Mississippi being dedicated to farmland, the federal government is the biggest employer in the Magnolia State.33 34 Even so, agriculture still represents a significant industry in Mississippi, employing 29% of the state's workforce.35 In addition to having the highest poverty rate of any state in the country, Mississippi is also known as the "hungriest state" in the U.S., with 20% of its population being food insecure.20 36


    2. West Virginia
    • Median Household Income: $48,850 (2019)17
    • Population: 1.79 million (2019)18
    • Unemployment Rate: 6.4% (2020)19

    • Poverty Rate: 16.0% (2019)20

    Not only is West Virginia the poorest state by median income, its median household income didn't increase between 2007 and 2018 (adjusted for inflation).37 The Equality State is another case where the federal government is the largest employer, but this time it hasn't pushed enough people out of poverty.38 Prior to the COVID-19 outbreak, West Virginia's 1938 unemployment rate was the highest in U.S. history.39


    3. Arkansas
    • Median Household Income: $48,952 (2019)17
    • Population: 3.02 million (2019)18
    • Unemployment Rate: 6.2% (2020)19
    • Poverty Rate: 16.2% (2019)20

    Agriculture makes up the Natural State's largest industry, with farmland comprising 41% of its territory. Forests comprise another 57%, 25% of which belongs to the forestry industry.40 41 Despite the low income and high poverty rate, several major companies are headquartered in Arkansas, including Tyson Foods and Walmart.17 20 42 43
     
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    So says someone who lives in an alternate reality: Another supporter of Sociopathic Narcissist Donnie.
     
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    Nope. The facts I identify are not assumptions. Your claims about people's motives are assumptions.

    So you have been demolished and humiliated, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple.
     
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    It's your assumptions about peoples motivations and your attempts to claim that you and others really own the property I do and therefore have rights to it. Garbage.
     
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    They also have the lowest cost of living.
     
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    You forgot to take the cost of living into account. A common mistake.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...alifornia-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/
     
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    <yawn> As they say in Japan, "It's mirror time!"

    Unlike you, I don't need to make any assumptions about people's motives because privilege -- legal entitlements to benefit from the abrogation of others' rights without making just compensation -- is an indisputable fact of objective physical reality.
    No, other people really do own their rights, not you, even though you believe others' rights are your property.
    People have rights to their rights. That is kinda true by definition, even if you mistakenly believe that you own their rights and they should pay you for permission to exercise them.
    Said the slave owner to the abolitionist...
     
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    Sorry but you don't get to set what I believe and I've seen these "rent" theories being taught in schools these days to oppose private property which go nowhere. But I guess any real property you own is being lived on and used by strangers as they see fit and you do not try to stop them..............assuming own any real property.
     
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    Let my try saying this another way ... I'm NOT American, and would never have voted for "Donnie" even if I were American.

    Now ... why don't you respond to my actual posts? Why aren't you telling us whether you walk the talk?
     
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    What's so sad about this naivety is that it's the Power Elite who want us all 'renting'. They're behind the push to dismantle private property ownership, because property is the last redoubt of independence. They want us all thoroughly helpless. It's the only way they can hold on to power and wealth in a democratic, modern world.
     
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    According to this data, Pakistan is the cheapest country to live in, with a cost of living index of 18.58. This is followed by Afghanistan (24.51), India (25.14), and Syria (25.31).
    Maybe you and Cranky think those third-world countries are great places to reside due to their low cost of living.
     
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    I have lived in Third World countries. That's why I don't measure quality of life against the richest nations on earth. I leave that outrageous hubris to Leftist Progressives.
     
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    Why is it so difficult for left-wing socialists to be honest about their love of capitalism?
     

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