Capitol is on lockdown as pro-Trump demonstrators try to break into the building

It almost doesn't matter. News media can run headlines "Trump voters violent" or "Trump mob attacks" and the like, and that is all they've wanted for 4 years.

Things I predict:
1. Massive ramping up on "nationalism as terrorism" narrative
2. Massive ramping up on "conspiracy theorists as terrorists" narrative (FBI already holds them as such, officially)
3. Impossibly unconstitutional legislative proposals to neuter 2A
4. More spying on people's online activity.
5. More terrorism vs terrorism point-scoring rallies and riots (war?)

 

In situations like this I always back 'rank incompetence'. It has a form line going back to the start of human civilization and a truly impressive string of wins.

I do, however, struggle to believe that a similarly large & angry crowd of black folk would have been so lightly policed. There are plenty of accounts of the sort of force that has been used in the past 12 months at BLM protests & it basically took a mob breaking into the Capitol building to see anything like that happen here.

 

Exactly.

The Capitol Police for BLM:

 

@RickJay
Whataboutism?

Is he who asks, "What about the race riots (which persisted since May of last year) when even Republicans refused to seriously crackdown on them? When they did it all in the middle of Rona while being called 'brave' and 'speaking the language of oppression'?", a whataboutist?

My view is this. First, terrible execution. They needed to stay on those steps until they could communicate their message to Congress and I don't care if it meant setting up tents and having campfires and spending the night. So Democrat-aligned riot-craving news media +1, the "Trump's 2020" narrative +1, and now the right loses it's claim to liberal tolerance (which "liberals" lost long before then). American politics no-longer operates on the basis of such a concept anymore. You win by any means available to you and preserve your power. That's more Machiavellian than we realize, that is until we see what it does to a citizenry.

As far as taking responsibility, I've more or less left everything on the table the last year or so. I argued for liberal tolerance; the need to have responsibility (which guarantees freedom) and the need to have law and order; the need to make salient the ways that news media and social media directly keep alight the flames of fear and anger in America; for a critical discussion about the harms done by BLM (the group, the ethos, and the slogan). But I'm not paid any attention like the rest of us on this board. I stepped on a few toes locally but I tried, so I'm really not part of this mess. We just have to let stupid people decide our fate these days.

If this dies out, we're screwed anyway in the coming security-state ramp-up. If it continues, I can't see the Union not breaking up or at least looking much different.

 

So you think she deserved to die? That is sad.

 

So you are saying Trump put the Capital police up to this? Did Trump also tell the Capital police not to pull their guns on rioters breaking into the Capital? CNN is showing a clip where one rioter is backing up a Capital police officer after entering the Capital. Or is that just a byproduct of Democrats calling for defunding police and creating a more friendly and understanding police force? Yes, an investigation into the failure of the agencies to protect the Capital is warranted but I don't think Democrats are going to like what the investigation finds. Reminds me of Benghazi and the Obama Administration failing to beef up security at the diplomatic facility leading up to the anniversary of 9/11 causing the deaths of Ámb. Stevens and US patriots hired to protect Stevens. Democrats fought to hide the truth at Benghazi and now I'm will to bet Democrats will push for an investigation into the deaths of Americans and the massive failure of the agencies who were there to protect the Capital.

 

Well when BLM types riot they beat people indiscriminately, burn down buildings, attack cops, refuse to give up, etc and it's usually after a justified police shooting or something yet unclear.

When MAGA types riot, they are expected to be less violent. Just the truth. If I had to choose, I'd prefer a MAGA riot passing through my block than a BML riot.

 

I was disgusted by the video he put out, the one where he led off with the election being rigged.

Really... I was in shock. I was expecting a plea for calmness and law and order but he literally led off saying the election was stolen. Like, first sentence.

Seriously, WTF?

Although I don't think he had as much impact on the events of today as you believe he did, that video message was... bizarre? Absurd? I don't even know what the word is.

 

Mandela was scum.

 

Protestotrs in Portland attacked the federal building every day for two months with industrial fireworks, molotov cocktails... they tried to trap police inside and burn it to the ground.

I'm disgusted by what happened yesterday, but let's not try and compare the two.

The thousands of people on the steps could have easily gone inside if they felt inclined, most of them just stood there and waved flags.

The ones who went inside? I hope they're charged. To the fullest.

That was embarrassing.

 

How can you say that? Without Trump, this doesn't happen. Saying Trump had [insert diminutive] impact on people who just left a rally where Trump told them to march to the Capitol, and Giuliani and Jr. suggested using force, carrying Trump flags, is not very sensible.

Trump needs to be removed now. Talk of the 25th is circulating.

I think a lot of people, perhaps you included, sincerely got fooled by Trump; thinking he's nothing close to what his opposition claims he is. He's worse. He's an enemy and danger to the United States.

 

That’s a good way to get Biden 4 extra years

 

....yet you have.

If you want to tell yourself that mobs of people, sometimes armed, storming into legislative chambers is worse than mobs attacking a random government building or even a police station then I have to question your perception or your motivation. Both are unacceptable, but only one is a direct attack on what is not only the heart of democratic government but also its greatest symbol.

That symbolism is the whole point. DC is full of government buildings, but they chose to storm Congress while it completed the task of certifying a Presidential election. There is no universe where that compares with protesting outside a random government building on the opposite side of the nation compares to that.

I will, however, give you credit for kinda sorta criticizing the pro-Trump mob, even if you could only do it wiht a bit of false equivalence. Most Trump supporters here can't even manage that. They seem fine with this.

 

Just seen a clip of someone called Elizabeth from Tennessee complaining she got 'maced' when she got a yard or so inside the building. When asked why she wanted to go in she said it was a revolution.
Do these people really exist?
The level of moronic intellect by all of those people who voted for Trump is really funny.
What did she expect breaking into the building? A cup of tea and cucumber sandwiches?
The revolutionary playing the victim.
Really quite funny, certainly made America great entertainment again.
Keep it coming America, because Trump and every one of his 70 million or so supporters gives many many people in the world some comfort that there are at least 70 million people more abjectly stupid than them.

 

I think both mobs are full of trashy, uncivilized people who need to be locked up.

That's the only comparison that needs to be made. Your attempt to turn this into something it isn't is admirable, but my position is the same...

The nationwide rioters were trash.

The people yesterday were trash.

And anyone excusing the behavior of either group is also trash, namely, people who act like attacking a symbol is somehow more damaging than burning down someone's life's work... as if both events aren't absolutely abhorrent.

I **** on the protests all summer, and I've **** on the people yesterday.

They're one and the same to me.

I will say that there was no damage yesterday, no burned cars, no bricks thrown at police or people hit with bike locks.

But once you cross that threshold from peaceful protest to riot, you've lost my respect, and support. I was embarrassed watching the events yesterday. I know you probably can't say you felt the same watching the riots all summer, but I was absolutely embarrassed... and I had nothing to do with it. The whole thing was a joke.

 

Of course they exist. Do you not remember them creating their own country in the middle of downtown Seattle for weeks?

A 'country' that ended up being the most dangerous place on planet earth...

Or, wait, you're saying you're just NOW realizing those people exist? We're you on the moon all summer?

 

Where was Trump during the insurrection?

He told his animals at his inflammatory speech that he would go with them to the capitol...he repeated it like a senile old goat...and repeated it...and so WHERE was he??


Why did he scurry back to the White House and hide?

 

Nixon negotiated the peace treaty and the US withdrawal.
His singular achievement. IOW, he had to go.

 

The word you are looking for is “expected”. A phrase would be “totally in character”.

Seriously, if you have been paying any attention to trump over the last 4 or 5 years, it’s difficult to imagine him being any different.

Where you are saying, “wow, I didn’t expect that kind of speech”, there are many more Americans saying, “we’ve been telling you for years to expect this kind of behavior”.

 

Censorship in Nazi Germany was extreme and strictly enforced by the governing Nazi Party, but specifically by Joseph Goebbels and his Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. Censorship within Nazi Germany included control of all forms of mass communication, which included newspaper, music, literature, radio, and film. The same body also produced and disseminated their own literature which were solely devoted to furthering Nazi ideas and myths.

The richest corporations and people on earth are now the governing authority in the USA and have control of all mass communication - literally own it - all newspapers, television stations and the Internet - now engaging in extreme censorship of anything against their profit and power agenda. You know, your heroes not yet doing enough censorship.

 

Yes, the entire military industrial complex has supported over 75 years of non-stop warfare that gained no tangible lasting benefit for the US or the world.

 

Focus: Nixon was the peacemaker. History matters.

 

Other than his successful negotiations to withdraw the US military from Vietnam Nixon was a curse on the US and the world.

 

Just call for free and fair elections if peace is the objective.

 

You left off the qualifier "Republican thugs," didn't you? Not these Democrats.