Biden kills 70,000 jobs in his first day.

I've been hearing about "peak oil" and all that jazz since I was literally a child, and I'm 51 now. And still hearing the same old, same old from the same people. Maybe one of these days they'll actually be right, if for no other reason than the same that makes a broken clock right twice a day. But unless and until that happens, there's no reason whatsoever to act like it's a foregone conclusion. If and when that day arrives, someone really smart will find a solution, and life will go on. Which is to say, the market will decide.

OR, maybe there ISN'T a solution, and as a species we'll have to deal with the end of the oil age, and all the upsides that go with it. No more plastics, no more gasoline, no more motor oil, no more golf bags, no more paint, wheels, luggage, football helmets, or any of the hundreds if not thousands of products that depend on oil for their very existence. The lifestyle of humanity as a whole will change, dramatically, and it may turn out that a world without oil can't support as large a population as a world WITH oil, meaning people might literally die. But if that all turns out to be the case, it is now and has ALWAYS been inevitable, and whatever humans manage to survive those days will remember this chapter in the history of the world as one of excess thanks to what oil does for us that nothing else can.

Or, we'll get lucky (as a species) and someone really smart will figure out a different way of doing things, which obviously is the preferred solution, but is not guaranteed to even be hypothetically possible. Oh, well. Doo-doo occurs.

The really good news is that there's plenty of reasons to think that oil is in fact a renewable resource, despite the assumption that it's not. The very fact that the people predicting it's demise for my entire life have been wrong the entire time is at least one point in favor of that theory.

As for MMT, I personally have no issue with using created currency to pay our governmental expenses regardless of the consequences. The conventional wisdom is that it will be inflationary, which is OK, because that inflation becomes the "taxes", and is paid for literally by everyone in a completely equal manner, which is the fairest way to do it to begin with. BUT, our experience since 2008 is that those conventional wisdom things that we all just "knew" to be true perhaps are not. We'll literally never know until it's tried, and we find out what happens. Once again, so be it.

Which is ALL a VERY long winded way of saying "Let the market decide", which ultimately it's going to do anyway, whether we like it or not.

Life for humans has always changes, and we've always adapted and managed to survive, including when environmental factors sent our population plunging to about 15,000 people world wide. We have to come to grips with the idea that we're not gawds, and we can't control everything. Life will go on, or it won't.

So be it.

 

Worth it to whom? Certainly not me. I'm not willing to give up the life that oil enables me to have so that some future generation might have to not breed as much as we suppose they might even want to.

 

You mistake me pointing out realities to crying about it. If anything, we're in more agreement than you think, as I'm just pointing out to the true believers that they didn't truly consider what might happen if they got what they wished for. Now they've got it, and they're going to have to live with it. Now, I certainly don't WANT to, but I got outvoted by people either who do, or who were not wise enough to see their own foolishness.

 

Nah, all that is unnecessary. Just make employing an illegal a mandatory felony, with at least a year in prison and a hefty fine, and make it something that can't be pled down to something less. And that applies to everyone who did know, or should have known that it was going on, meaning if you don't want to have a felony record and spend a year in the big house, you'll make sure your company is ship shape about who they can and cannot hire. Problem solved.

There's also no reason to force a minimum wage, just make it more difficult for able bodied persons to live off the government teat, and all of a sudden they'll be taking those $5/hour jobs, if starvation is the only alternative. But I'm not at all clear why you're conflating the issues in the first place. They have nothing to do with each other.

 

Are you suggesting that only the top 5% pay taxes in the first place? Because unless I've been misinformed, those cuts applied to all tax rates as they applied to all taxpayers. So, since we paid taxes before the cuts became effective, that means we're paying less now. It's just math. Now, the loss of the SALT deductions may change that math, but that's the problem of the people who live in high tax states to begin with to deal with. Perhaps by demanding that their states stop it with the confiscatory taxation to begin with. Problem solved.

Unfortunately they probably won't do that, as they like the idea of other States in effect subsidizing their own taxes. Oh, well, that's their problem. Be smart and correct it the right way, rather than sticking the cost on other people.

 

What crowd is my crowd. Feel free to accuse me of what ever you like - but at least state what your accusation is
Then you insinuate that the Christian Bible forms my beliefs such that I do not believe in the existence of Fossil Fuels.

Seems you think I am Religious Right - either that or you are intentionally making up falsehoods.. and I am not sure which one as you post in the religious section where I have the best arguments "Against" creationism .. so you should know that what you claiming is false.

The third option would be that you have mistaken me for someone else.

1) Which is it ?

2) What on earth does this have to do with your complete inability to make a coherent argument in defense of your position in which you think that getting our crude from Nigeria-Tanker is better for the Environment than from Canada- Pipeline.


Just to set the record straight I am not Religious in the Christian sense .. spiritual perhaps - Jesus had some insights - the golden rule in particular Matt 7:12 which is one you you might want to learn being the basis of our founding principles.

Further - my arguments against creationism are way better than yours - and I have more science in my left toe nail than you have, period - since you inquired.

Second - I am not right - and have way better arguments against Trump than you do - since you asked

And last - Your position is so hopelessly lost that you have started to engage in self deception - as your perspective is some kind of black vs white - Good vs Evil paradigm - where if one tiny pillar falls, the whole structure collapses - just like the Fundamentalist religious right.

How Ironic - don't ya think ? and "Projection" is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

 

Your claim Canadian Crude does not go to US refineries is simply false. Support this claim.

It is true that Oil sands uses a whole lot of Fresh water and we have established that both Oil Sands and Conventional crude are bad for the environment.

What you do not explain - is how using lots of fresh water in the process makes purchasing from Nigeria the better environmental option overall in terms of CO2 and Ocean Pollution.

 

I have not said ANYTHING at all about the Volt so your STRAWMAN exposes your DESPERATION.

The FACTS that matter are that the CMax and Focus are the REASON why Ford is NOW producing successful EV's like the F150 and the Mustang-E.

YOU cannot refute those FACTS so you use meaningless STRAWMAN deflections.

Sad!

 

The saddest part of all is that you sincerely mean that. Better to be overrun with illegal aliens than let the "other team" win. That's pathetic.

 

Get over it, I am 100% serious your side cannot be allowed to ever hold power again. And people can NEVER be illegal merely undocumented. Since it pisses off your side I say open the flood gates and wave em all in.

 

I made no such claim, you’re delusional.

wrong if you’re trying to say that tar sands and other crude are on an equal footing. Your unwillingness to read the reference is apparent. I’m not debating with someone who doesn’t believe in science to begin with. Tar sands is toxic to even live anywhere near, contrary to crude from wells. Spills from toxic tar sands are much worse for the environment....read the reference.
The tar sands oil final destination is OVERSEAS whether its refined in the US or not. We have no need for this sht.

 

The right is either hypocritical or ignorant. They’re all for businesses literally paying for immigrant labor and providing them with false IDs, then criticize them because why ?....They aren’t white and are taking less then minimum wage jobs that ours wouldn’t touch ? Slavery is alive and well on the right.

 

Ha ha


They come here for work that greedy sub minimum wage employees like Trump provide. NO ONE is serious about holding US employers accountable. But I bet the right is fine with them relocating to Mexico for cheaper labor. I bet the right is fine with hiring the cheapest roofer and not checking green card status ?

 

I suppose not caring about future generations now is noble in your neck of the woods, but you’re living with climate change now and paying way more for its ravages.

“I don’t give a sht” is a perfectly legitimate reason for disqualifying righties from public office. I guess you’re fine with public servants who don’t give a sht about you while you pay thier wages. The rest of us aren’t.

 

The idiots that voted for Biden then get laid off because he won get no sympathy from me.

 

It would be nice.....if a little more fact was involved. Unless you believe the earth is 7k years old, oil and coal are not renewable between the extinction of our species and the rehabilitation of others that have no use for it.

 

That’s fair. As long as Trump voters are so sure with failure of the Biden admin they don’t want to be a part of it, just forward your next stimulus check to those of us who are happy to spend it immediately.

 

When are the democrats going to pass the reparations they keep promising blacks?

 

As soon as we raise the taxes again where they belong from zero to “their fair share.” It’s not going to be hard. Businesses are now withdrawing financial support from the idiot repos in congress who supported Trump. They are prepping for higher taxes. Good for them.

 

I said - 1) we use most of this oil

To which I said - prove your claim

The only thing delusional here - appears to be you - not being able to remember what you said from one post to the next.

I did not state Nigerian and Canadian Crude are on Equal footing .. Canadian Crude is a far more environmentally friendly Option.

You are the one who does not believe in Science - your claim that Nigerian Crude is the more environmentally friendly option is unsupported made up gibberish.

Then you make the even more laughable claim that Canadian Crude refined in the US - then finds a final destination overseas.

No dude .. it finds its final destination in your gas tank . You have no clue what you are talking about and are in desperate denial of reality which is.

Canadian Crude by pipeline is far less harmful to the environment - and much better for our economy. - that your beloved Nigerian Crude - shipped by tanker -

 

Odd. I'm pretty sure that I didn't say either of this things but ok, you are free to interpret however you like.

Oh look! More stuff that I didn't say, but go ahead and put words in my mouth if it makes you feel better.

 

I gave a link. There are many more. Just Google...they are all the same.it’s a waste of time when you refuse to read them.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ibrand/will-oil-keystone-xl-pipeline-stay-us/

 

You now have three links in this thread from me.....NOTHING FROM YOU. Didn’t expect any when it’s just tuning in to Fix News and just an opinion.

 

You’re still not doing any research are you. Neither are you Google or reading any links. So far you’ve just keep posting the same made up crappolla.

 

For those who can’t or won’t read the written word. Here are pictures, just like those provided for Trump.