The Hegemonic Masculinity Magnet

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Jonsa, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. Killer Clouds

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    Qanon scares DCP disciples because they are programmed to believe crap.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have always wondered why so many people exhibit nothing but binary thinking. Must vote democrat because the "other side" are white supremacists. Must vote republican because the other side is marxist.
    Worse, they then use this binary dumb downed cherry picked bullshit as ammo to reinforce the "brainwashing" you seem to believe everyone suffers from.

    I think trump is a racist not because some talking head on tv said so. Perhaps that is how you acquire your opinions, but thinking people tend to have a more rigorous process.

    As for hearing stuff on the tv and believing it. Do you watch Sean or Tucker? Listen to Alex or Rush? You consumed the Big Lie, buddy, not me.
     
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    The answer to your first sentence is "stupidity .
    As for hearing stuff on the tv and believing it. Do you watch CNN, MSNBC or any other MSM for that matter? You consumed the Big Lie, buddy, not me.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    is that the male's definition of strong or the female's?

    Can you explain why humans are neither a tournament nor a pair bonding species?

    Ah the good ol' days of the hunter gatherer. Short, Brutal, Hard, Static, but boy were they happy cavorting around barearsed in good ol' mother nature. .
     
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    Actually, I do not think that the Democratic Party spends very much time or energy on the subject. It is more like the other way around. It is more like people are appalled at the things some Republicans and conservatives say, and turn away.

    Take the Black Lives Matter movement. It began as a result of the fact there is a pattern of unnecessary killings, and other abuses, of Black citizens by the police in the United States. I have problems believing that the massive right wing protestation of the Black Lives Matter movement is all that honorable, or even all that rational.
     
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    No, it sure as hell isn't funny that the right here on PF haven't heard of QAnon. Its yet another sad example of how narrow and shallow the information bubble they inhabit actually is.

    I don't know about you, but I wouldn't go around crowing about my ignorance of widely known facts and issues within my own movement.
     
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    Well I and many others here were introduced to the concept by the left here, up till then there was no mention of it by anyone on the right! So again, why is that?
     
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    In a more objective measure, women still tend to live longer, healthier lives.
     
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    Stupidity is too facile an answer. It is not simply a lack of intelligence. It also seems to be a lack of knowledge and a lack of critical thinking skills and a concomitant lack of creative problem solving skills, in some combination thereof. Then there are the psychological aspects apart from the intellectual.

    I have a rather eclectic and broad range of information sources across media. I am intimately familiar with propaganda, both political and commercial, and the spent a career in learning and applying those techniques in building and implementing communications programs designed to influence opinion and prompt desired actions.

    the Big Lie I referred to is #stop the steal. The intellectual integrity of that bag off bullshit belies the intellectual integrity of its believer.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    because you weren't paying attention until somebody else had to hit you over the head with it? Yep that sounds like it mighta been the case.

    Course sites like Brietbart were reporting on it way back in 2018. Social media has been awash in it for years. And they have been at ALL the Donnie Peachs rallies for the past few years. And it's not like Fox and OANN haven't had QAnon batshit crazies on regularly.
     
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    No, in many social mammalian species the heirarchy ends with a female. Hyenas, orcas, elephants, lemurs, bonobos, meerkats are just a few instances.
    And I'm sure you are familiar with the recanting of the Alpha Male wolf theory by the guy who first posited it?
    https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-everything-you-know-about-wolf-packs-is-wrong-502754629

    But thank you for providing some insight to how uninformed really manly men are and which head determines their outlook.
     
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    I don't subscribe to Fox news.. And I don't follow Breitbart either. I generally watch some Newsy on the firestick and some of the stuff on MSN other then that Salt Lake stuff.. Maybe it was mentioned, but like all other stuff of that nature I prolly skimmed over it like all the other stuff geared to gin up leftist angst. But I assure you the first real saturation of QAnon I was exposed to was right here on PF by the left.. From what I remember they were very concern about them at the time..
     
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    You obviously did not read the article. You demonstrate its findings, however, quite well.
     
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    Sure, some feminists are lesbians like yourself, but I was solely referring to the straight ones.
     
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    I guess if one relates or considers themselves part of the animal kingdom then there is a point.. I have risen above that and no longer sit in a tree or grunt to communicate. As far as hierarchy goes, that is determined by who plays the dominate or dominated roll.. It can be both ways in humans or both can be either depending on the situations..
     
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    Western women tend to prefer educated men. A college educated professional woman is unlikely to want to have a relationship with a construction worker or a truck driver. I saw a poll awhile back that showed that liberal women tend to avoid getting involved with men they believe to be too conservative. Yet the reverse is not so. Liberal women, especially the more feminists ones, tend to be more dismissive and condemnatory of conservative toxic masculinity than any other group.

    When one thinks about it. When one studies and experiments with the phenomena, one finds that it often is not masculinity. Not in the, I have bigger muscles than you and can kick your butt, type of masculinity anyhow. Not really. It seems that is a big turn off to a lot of women. Certainly women are attracted to in-shape men, just as men are attracted to in-shape women, but to be a babe magnet, requires charisma, and cuteness.

    When one looks at a crowd of Trump’s supporters, one does not see a crowd of fit charismatic people. One sees a lot of out of shape average middle class people. I’m sure that they sell a lot of large and extra large t-shirts at the souvenir stands. Of course one finds a lot of tough talk. Talk that only the crazies dare attempt to act out.

    While we are on the subject. Have you ever noticed that when Right-wing gangs, such as the Proud Boys, get into a scuffle, that half of their opponents tend to be women, while the Right-wing gangs tend to be exclusively male? What this means, is that after the encounter, the Proud Boys are walking off with other men. The other side, the anti fascists, are walking off with members of the opposite sex. Somehow I find that fact rather amusing.
     
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    Oh I see. Since you are a low volume consumer of news, its should not be surprising to either of us that your first exposure to it would be in a community dedicated to political discussion.

    My apologies for jumping to an alternative explanation.
     
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    I don't think it's about education as much as money. Nearly all straight women, including those that are feminist, engage in hypergamy. Education can be part of it, but money is more important. A woman isn't likely to date below her class. The funny thing about this is that it promotes the same "patriarchy" they complain about, because men will prioritize money as long as it expected of them.

    So, equality isn't really what many of these women ultimately want in terms of finances. They want to find a guy that makes more than them. And as the gender wage gap closes, the wealthier women find it harder to engage in hypergamy. It's pretty funny to watch.

    Sure, masculinity isn't everything, but it's pretty essential.

    That's not exclusive to the right wing. There are plenty of out of shape people on the left as well. The obesity rate is rising in the West overall, and the irony of all this is that the left talks about not body shaming people and being inclusive of obese people, but that facade drops as soon as white conservatives are brought up.

    The short answer is that most Americans are out of shape, which is why fit and slim people tend to have many advantages in dating.

    I haven't thought about that much, but most of the Antifa women aren't very attractive.
     
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    Ah, we are of the animal kingdom and as such can be informed by it, if not for the Human Conceit.

    BTW, the reason humans are in the middle because we are sapient - our intellect influences our actions more often than our biology.
     
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    Quick question: does, "toxic masculinity," discount the value of facts? Your information is wrong: there ARE social mammals which are led by females. Some examples are Bonobos, which are as close a relative to man as the Chimps; African Elephants; Spotted Hyenas (the female of which is larger than the male); Killer Whales (Orcas); and two species of lemurs. The several sites I checked all also considered LIONS as female-led, which, initially, seemed wrong to me. But then I read the justifications for this: the pride's territory is that of the lead female, who lives on it all her life, so knows it well; she & the other females go out to do the hunting, while the male lion stays home to guard the cubs (and tend house). Of course the, much bigger, male lion DOMINATES the group; but he does not LEAD it.

    No amount of philosophizing is going to change evolutionary biology.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wo...10-animal-societies-that-are-matriarchal.html

    The above link looks at all species, not just mammals, so includes ants & honeybees, but also has a couple of other mammals which were not on the lists of the other, specifically mammal hits I got, when I googled matriarchal mammals.

    While it is true that, still, female-led societies are in the minority, it is also true that, physiologically, the female is genuinely, I believe, always the stronger sex. And that includes human beings.
     
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    Are you referring to pain tolerance (like dealing with childbirth) as opposed to strength involving lifting things?
     
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    Speak for yourself, but lemme know when a monkey can bake me a cake ;)
     
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    You seem obsessed by this type of thing, why?
     
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    Go to BLM's official website, and you'll see a lot of Marxist rhetoric that is not "all that honorable, or even all that rational."

    If BLM was just about police reform, that would be one thing. It's not. They also advocate things like "the deconstruction of the nuclear family", which ironically is a lot of the reason for why blacks often linger in poverty.
     

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