I just realized something, almost like an epiphany. Red states like to kill people.

To be honest, I don't remember. I just recall seeing a sign next to the truck they were operating from that said something about prisoners working and my friend is the one who said so also. I do remember it was near Brickell Ave in Miami.

 

You mean a THC vape? Or vaping in general?

 

Death by gunshot and state-sponsored executions are not the same thing. Not even close. This thread is about the death penalty, with side topics of abortion and the pandemic. See post #1.

 

True. There just seems to be so much more of it on the right, IMHO.

And before the many righties on this forum start sputtering, here are the 10 states with the highest average IQ:

1. Massachusetts (104.3)
2. New Hampshire (104.2)
3. North Dakota (103.
4. Vermont (103.
5. Minnesota (103.7)
6. Maine (103.4)
7. Montana (103.4)
8. Iowa (103.2)
9. Connecticut (103.1)
10. Wisconsin (102.9)

The only states on that lust that aren't blue are maybe Iowa, Montana, and North Dakota, but the south? Mississippi comes in dead last. Sorry, y'all.

 

I quit the nicotene many years ago. I've been a cannabis user since 1966. It's good to live in Colorado, where they have even decriminalized psilocybin, aka 'shrooms. Very civilized place, also known for great kraft beers, one of which I'm drinking now.

 

Yeah, I heard about CO's mushroom legalization. Have they already started catering for places for it? Like hotels or BnB with a slant for psychedelic trips? I don't ski, but I could definitely go for a trippy vacation.

 

I agree it should be consistent, but I do think war is a different situation. A country must be able to defend itself.

 

I'm conservative, pro-life, anti-capital punishment, but that comparison is the height of stupidity.

 

I actually have no freakin' idea where to get some, else I surely would.

 

Just my opinion, and that's yours, and we know what they are like and everyone has one.

 

What does a voting age have to do with anything? A fully formed human doesn't equal comprehension, intelligence, or the ability to reason.

You need a better choice of comparisons, that one was pretty lame.

 

Well, sure, but your opinion lacks any amount of rational and logic.

Comparing capital punishment of a grown ass human to killing an innocent fetus is just... wow.

 

It is my opinion that no human should have the right to determine another's right to life with few exceptions, including ones desire to take their own life.

 

A few years ago, I read that the percentage of people on death row, who, after all their appeals, were "innocent" was about 0%. What the researchers did find was that some were convicted due to "technicalities", such as the lawyer told the jury something they weren't allowed to, etc.

I am prepared to believe that, for many, the death penalty is not a deterrent. It simply means that that particular murderer will never murder again. That they will never be released to murder again, due to someone like the Gascon character. That is enough for me.

 

I 2019, there were 16,425 reported murders. There were 22 executions. That would make the odds of being executed for committing murder about 1 in 750. Around 16% of offenders HAD MURDERED BEFORE. That means 2628 people died because we failed to stop murderers the first time.

The number of people actually executed is tiny everywhere- most death row inmates die of old age because of the extreme appeals process we all pay for. Some liberals think we should slap their hands, tell them no-no and turn them loose- to kill someone else, Thus it's rational to say that some on the left have no compassion for the families of the dead innocents, or the victims they sentence to death by failing to remove the worst of men from our society. This is not a rare incidence, it's common in all states- except in red stated we're better about keeping that trash in prison and paying the bills to preserve their miserable lives, leaving only other convicts at risk. In California, the LA County DA's decided it would not pursue the death penalty on this guy:



This guy has killed three people. He said they all deserved it, and he would do it again. Why in hell would a sane person preserve the life of a
proven and admitted homicidal maniac? Because you are a "nice guy"? Or because he killed a cop, and the left seems to think that the cops are the bad guys? There's a time to be nice.
There's a time to not be nice- or at least, NOT BE STUPID.

 

Uhmmm....rainy season here in Florida in certain cow pastures? I used to pick and eat tons. I often picked them for others.

I ate them so many times, I have little interest in consuming more but I'll always love the hunt and sharing.

 

Yeah, what about____________?

 

Criminals can still be removed from the system without the death penalty.

Futhermore, states that do have the death penalty, do not report crimes any lower than those that do. In other words, the death penalty DOES NOT REDUCE CRIME.

Period.

It's simply there to make those of us who want to carry out the ultimate revenge feel better.

 

The downside is that we dont get to feel better in our vengeance.

Thats it.

 

And the older the criminal is, the less the death penalty is a deterrent...

 

All animals are innocent

 

Hyperbolic about what? Please quote my hyperbole.

 

Daniel, your conclusions about the death penalty deterrent factor seem right to me- however, there's something else. WHY? Why is it not a deterrent?
Your points are valid; I think incomplete.

When the odds against it actually being used are 750-1, that certainly reduces it's impact as a deterrent.
When the time gap between offense and execution is 15-20 years, it has the same effect.
Every wise parent and teacher knows that if the rules have no consequences- then their are no rules, they are only window dressing. Same is true of laws.
If a penalty is negotiable or never used- it's effect is useless. An empty threat.

Now we see people do crazy things all the time that could easily be deadly. However, we do fear death, no matter how stupid we are.
I've killed rattlesnakes with one hand, grab the tail and whip them. Risky, but if you know how, it works instantly. I once kissed a 10 ft shark on the forehead too. So I've done some foolish things- but always with careful forethought and consideration of the risk.

However, something you don't see is people walking up to a bear at Yellowstone and slapping them in the face. Why? Because they know (1) the bear is going to clean their clock, and (2) it's gonna happen immediately. Thus- the confidence you will die and the rapidity of the consequence does have a major deterrent factor. The death penalty as we apply it today lacks those aspects- and thus, lacks a deterrent effect. It does however have the effect of removing such a person from society- and unfortunately, at great expense. While that could and should in my opinion be done far more expediently, it at least prevents further murders.

What if we looked at capitol murder cases, and on conviction we reviewed the circumstances. We select only cases of unquestionable guilt, and unquestionable malice. We then put those on a fast track which reduces appeals to a single secondary examination of evidence and confirmation of it, then execution takes place within 30 days. No elaborate crap that costs 50K to do- just a bullet.
Now we have a consequence that is vastly more of a deterrent, because it can be sure and swift.

I appreciate life, in most all forms. However I have no sympathy for those who arbitrarily take the lives of innocent people- and because that act is within their control, I see them as a threat to all useful life everywhere. Thus I have no problem with a death penalty that simply cancels their ticket; only in how we apply it and the burden we allow it to impose of the good people of our nation.

 

Nothing but radical left wing diatribe and rubbish.

 

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