Rape is not part of this discussion. You continue to distract, divert, dodge, and otherwise duck away from the issue at hand, which is the fact that you approve of the killing of living humans who have committed no crimes and have not expressed any desire to die.
The reason for the abortion doesn't matter. All that matters is whether or not the abortion is with regard to a living human. Once there is a heartbeat, there is life. At that point, you are killing a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die.
This isn't about rape. This is about living humans, and whether resulting from rape or not, a living human is a living human... a human fetus with a heartbeat is a living human. You are approving of killing a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die. Sick!
Interesting... of which species is this fetus, then? Do medical professionals not check one's pulse when determining whether or not someone is alive?
What species it is of is irrelevant. I have no idea why you keep asking this ridiculous question because the disagreement in the abortion debate has never been whether the fetus is of the human species or not, but rather if it should be granted rights or not. As I have proven, it would irrational to grant that which is not yet fully developed more rights than that which is fully developed. You are forcing me to sound like a broken record here, but it is simply monstrous to demand an adult sacrifices their life, liberty and values for a piece of protoplasm. No one is denying a fetus is alive, but - again - so are bacteria, viruses and cancers. Animals have pulses too, but they do not have rights.
FoxHastings said: ↑ As does anyone who makes an exception for abortion in rape cases... No, I do NOT approve of killing A human....and you saying I do is dishonest since I never said that. YOU said you'd make an exception for a fetus due to rape.... AGAIN: is that fetus dead? Is it not human?
LOL, talk about "ducking, diverting, distracting"....anything but face the FACT that YOU APPROVE OF the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and has expressed no desire to die ( the fetus of a rapist)
FoxHastings said: ↑ Alll evasions with , OF COURSE, no point. What's the difference between an abortion performed in a rape case and an abortion performed due to consensual sex? I didn't ask you about the reason. I asked WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS. I pointed out your hypocrisy of saying you make an exception for an abortion due to rape And you said that's fine with you if the fetus was due to a rape..
I thought you liked science? I know PRECISELY what is going on here. No, I'm just asking a simple question, of which you don't wish to admit the answer to... You've already agreed with me (and the medical community) that a human with a heartbeat is "alive" / "living". Therefore, a fetus THAT HAS A HEARTBEAT is "alive" / "living", under that definition. You cannot switch back and forth between accepting and rejecting this position, as in order to reject this, you must also reject that YOU are alive, as YOU have a heartbeat right now, do you not? This one is completely cut and dry, dude... A fetus that has a heartbeat IS "living". So what species IS the fetus, if it is "not yet human"? So the fetus IS human after all, eh? So you DO approve of the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die, eh? If the fetus is not a human at that point, then of what species does it belong to before it spontaneously transforms into the human species? How do you know that he is dead? Would that have something to do with him no longer having a heartbeat?
No, it is COMPLETELY relevant, as this discussion is about a very specific species (the human species). You're trying to tell this forum that a human fetus is somehow not of the human species, so that's why I keep asking you of what species it is instead... Apparently it is a disagreement, in your mind anyway, as you keep describing a human fetus as somehow being "pre-human", even though it already IS human. You have yet to decisively decide whether or not a human fetus is a human. Irrelevant rabbit hole ignored on sight. This discussion is not about rights. Yes, you claim that it is living, but you keep trying to claim that it is not human (until you claim that it IS human, until you claim that it is NOT human, ad nauseum). That's why I keep asking you of what species do you claim the fetus to be, if not of the human species... We're not talking about any of those things. We are talking about humans, specifically. We are not talking about rights, either. We are, rather, talking about the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die, a choice which you are expressing APPROVAL of...
Yes, you've been (this whole time) expressing your approval of the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die. Before I answer that question: How do you define 'living' / 'dead'? It is human.
The fetus of a rapist is no different from the fetus of a husband. The issue is not the source of the fetus, but whether or not the fetus is alive. YOU are the one who is perfectly fine with the killing of a living fetus who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die.
I have answered you several times...your inability to not understand the written word( like not knowing the difference between "a reason" and "what's DIFFERENT) A fetus is NOT A human, NOUN, as in A born person. It is human (ADJECTIVE) not A human as in A legal born person....sorry if that is too deep for you...
No, that would be you saying that you'd make an exception to abortion if the fetus was due to a rape... LOL, "fetus of a husband" A.. Husbands can rape. B. consensual sex does not need a "husband". Sad I have to explain such simple facts...
And? What's wrong with making your own decisions? Who are you to tell someone what they can or cannot do?
YES, you said you wouldn't mind abortion if it's due to rape....are you changing your mind now that you see your GLARING CONTRADICTION ???? Can't address Post # 1783 ? Why are you ducking it ????
I've never taken that position, and that's not what we are discussing. You keep attempting to divert into irrelevant rabbit holes instead of addressing my question head on because the answer to it paints you in a bad light.
I'm happy to know you're willing to let people make their own decisions, including aborting whenever they like!
