Another take on the vaccines

Darth

Some wise man a long time ago noted that a lie repeated 1000 times does not become the truth.

I don't like being the bearer of bad news, but the events of the last 12 months have been a magnificent deception. I fell for it too, for the first 2 or 3 months, so I completely sympathize with what you're experiencing and I understand why you hold the opinions you do, but that doesn't mean I must pretend that a lie is true. Peace, bro.

 

And yet you keep doing it hoping it will happen. Why is that?

You are not the bearer of bad news, you are the bearer of a conspiracy theory will less support than the earth being flat.

What I am experiencing is what is known as reality. I am not really sure it is something you are close to all that often.

As I told you multiple times, I hold my opinions based upon what my wife and her fellow medical professionals have told me. I am still waiting for something from you that would lead me to believe my wife has been lying to me for the past 12 months.

Some dude with some made up software program that he will not let anyone see so we can know it is valid is not going to do it.

 

https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-gary-null-show/episode/the-gary-null-show-01-05-21-80612007

 

Sorry, your supposition and conjecture does not match up to the FACTS. Produce the medical definitions that support your assertions and you may have a basis for discussion.

 

Here's a bit of psychotic address....admitting the Covid "vaccines" are actually gene therapy.....
https://scitechdaily.com/progress-on-aavcovid-a-gene-based-experimental-covid-19-vaccine/


the traditional definition of "vaccine" did not include artificial or synthetic ingredients:
https://www.britannica.com/science/vaccine

 

True, but the party line has always been that flu shots make even that extremely LESS possible and severe, so that point was never really emphasized. Since Covid was initially being treated like the Andromeda Strain, the push on the "vaccines" looked kind of useless.

 

No because, and listen hard to this bit, THEY DOENT HAVE ANY,!! roll:

the first “vaccine” was a live virus - cowpox

 

History of vaccines

 

I got my vaccine last week and cannot wait for the second shot

 

And it is down to quoting ONE bloke who does not even have the appropriate qualifications and what qualifications he does have are.............questionable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Null

 

A history I believe is far more accurate:
https://vaccinechoicecanada.com/media/parent-gives-national-post-history-lesson-vaccines/

 

Sorry. It is the anti-vaxxers who created suppositions and ignore the FACTS.

The doctors call them vaccines. The officials coll them vaccines. The groups who evaluate the vaccines as vaccines.

YOUR references, including your reference, Britannica and Psitechdaily, refer to the vaccines as "vaccines".

Your false supposition that these vaccines are NOT "vaccines" becuse YOU, and only you and the anti-vaxers did not include artificial or synthetic ingredients so therefor they aren't "vaccines"!

This anti-vaccine rhetoric is nonsense.

FAIL

 

Are you denying that Dr Jenner Started the first western vaccine program?

Let’s look at more history

https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/diphtheria

And this is what Diphtheria did to the throat


And that is why so many required tracheotomy

 

Not at all, but I think it would be good to know a bit more about Dr. Jenner, as well as the fact that the anti vaccination movement started at around the same time. Here's an interesting article that brings up some points I imagine you were unaware of:
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First of all, the Anti-vaccination Movement did not start with Dr. Andrew Wakefield. It goes way back to the days of the very slick, fast-talking, charlatan ‘dr.’ Jenner – who bought all of his medical credential for a few pounds.

Jenner’s “Smallpox Vaccine” theory was based on a “cow-pox” superstition. His “research” involved TWO young people, his own son and a friend – who both died of TB shortly thereafter. He promoted this cowpox/smallpox vaccination “theory” with an avalanche of cleverly constructed propaganda, bereft of any validating research of efficacy or safety.

When these vaccines composed of literal ‘filth’” unleashed smallpox epidemics, Jenner countered with “ It is good that you were vaccinated, or it would have been much worse”…..

Compulsory vaccination laws were met with immediate resistance from conscientious “real physicians”, and people who demanded the right to retain jurisdiction over their body – to control what enters their bodies and those of their children.

That “VAXX-Resistance” remains, and has intensified to the present day, as the vaccine-induced health damage proliferates.

Many legitimate doctors and eminent scientists, who had to deal with the ensuing medical disasters, rejected the hypothesis that “the best prevention of disease is the injection of disease.”

Thus the Anti-Vaxx Movement goes back, not a decade, but 200 years, – and led Thomas Huxley (1825-1895) to comment,
“The great tragedy of Science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.”
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Source:
https://vaccinechoicecanada.com/in-the-news/open-letter-to-the-marketplace-team-and-cbc-leadership/

 

you have poor reading comprehension skills

As I told the other guy, definitions are often updated as technology advances. It is a very common thing in the medical field.

 

You are 'experiencing' a reality created by Event 201, the mainstream media and Fauci & Friends. You believe that the virus is the most dangerous thing in the world, that it was naturally occurring, that it has killed many thousands, that a healthy immune system plays no role, and that the only salvation of the human species rests with Big Pharma.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

You are a data analyst you say, but you are not a critical thinker, an analytical thinker. David Martin is. Big difference. That you are afraid to examine his work proves it.

 

I do not think it is the most dangerous thing in the world, but I do know how dangerous it is thanks to a wife that has been working with COVID patients for a year.

Yes, it is naturally occurring, that is a proven fact.

Actually it has killed millions, not many thousands, again this is a fact.

Of healthy immune system plays a role, when have I ever suggested otherwise.

My work performance says that you are mistaken, and that carries a lot more weight than your words. You assume that since I do not bow down and tell you how amazing you are that I do not have critical or analytical thinking skills. The funny part is that the flat earthers I debate with tell me the exact same thing when I will not agree with them that the earth is flat. You have really missed your calling, you would make an excellent flat earther.

 

Yes, I worry about this idea that some have: "I'm young. I got Covid-19 and it was nothing. I don't need the vaccine. I'm already immune." While this will likely hold for the majority of people, it is not guaranteed that it will. And then, the vaccines seem to provide a bit more protection against the new variants than the natural infection with the ancestral variant. Particular the P.1 new variant out of Brazil appears to hit younger people more seriously than the ancestral variant, and it is very prone to re-infecting people. Besides, the B.1.1.7 variant appears to be more lethal than the ancestral one.

So, it is indeed a good idea even for young people who have had a case of Covid-19, to still accept the vaccine.

 

LOL, excellent post. Since I have a relatively short fuse and I trigger the Ignore list very easily when talking to conspiracy theorists, I can only see your side of this discussion, and I can only imagine the insanities being said by the other side. Thank you for being on the side of science and for understanding the issues so well. We need posters like you to counter the nonsense.

 

Wow, as a healthcare worker, you're getting yours rather late. Didn't Australia have a priority measure for you guys?

 

One thing that surprises me is how some people say "no need for vaccines, lockdowns, social distancing, masks; we need to expose ourselves to the virus to get immunity!"

Well, sure, not having a kid in a bubble and allowing the kid to be in a playground and an elementary school does contribute to building up immunity. But we don't go expose the kid to the nastiest, lethal bugs. We don't take the kid to a tuberculosis wing to get immunity against tuberculosis. We don't expose the kid to meningitis. We give BCG vaccines and meningococcus vaccines.

The SARS-CoV-2 is a potentially lethal (for a small percentage of people, but still), highly infectious virus that has a very high potential to live behind significant organ damage and disability in survivors. We shouldn't mess with it. Now there are safe and effective vaccines. Take them.

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It's kind of sad how, say, in 1918 Science couldn't come up with a solution against the Spanish Flu and millions died.
Now, fortunately, Science did very rapidly come up with a solution against Covid-19... but denialists don't want the solution.

 

Self-appointed? No, @CenterField is an MD and appears to have been "appointed" by a medical school.

 

@Bowerbird is from Queensland. They have so few cases, you might have a hard time getting covid if you tried.

 

Right. And by the State Medical Board. And by my Specialty Board. And by my employers, the university academic department and the university-affiliated hospital that verified my credentials. But sure, I'm fully aware that credentials can't be proven in an anonymous forum, so the poster you're replying to can feel free to doubt me; I couldn't care less.

 

Ah, OK. That wasn't my doubting Bowerbird who is an excellent poster for whom I have a lot of respect and at no point have I doubted her credentials (just to clarify, given that someone might misread my intention with my comment). I was just surprised that her country wasn't doing more for her given that generally Australia is handling this outbreak a lot better than we did, here. But if community transmission there is very low, then fine.

We want our best posters Covid-19-free!

And I even want our not-so-good posters Covid-19 free and I do my best to try to convince them to accept masks and vaccines, but you know how it goes. Unfortunately a lot of people will be earning Darwin Awards.