What's Wrong With Voter ID?

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  1. Indlib

    Indlib Well-Known Member

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    Well I care only so much as you seem to be pushing a spreadsheet with no origan whatsoever to support a narrative that the public, judicial system, election volunteers from both parties, law enforcement, etc were in cahoots to rig an election that they didn't think to hide something so obvious as to show over 200 percent of registered voters voted...but hey, that is just me. I can move on since you seem willing to.

    Sounds good.

    Please help me with this part. Do you have data that correlates votes with party identity? Can you please elaborate on your conclusion here?

    This assessment of my "aptitude" and motives is inaccurate.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't need to convince you when you are already convinced. We could discuss the obvious but that would never change a thing. Question is....are you happy now?
     
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    These American disagree with the race hustlers!
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    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564...gistered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

    *Source: Milwaukee County Clerk; Wisconsin Secretary of State

    Of the city’s 327 voting wards, 90 reported turnout of greater than 90 percent; 201 reported turnout higher than 80 percent. This is a first in history. 60% is considered borderline questionable.

    Biden won 588 votes to Trump’s 10 in the 107th voting ward, located in the city’s Franklin Heights neighborhood.
    It’s other two voting wards voted 411 to 14 and 968 to 33 for Biden. a grand total of 1,967 to 57.
    In the 114th voting district in Lindsay Heights, on the city’s near Northwest Side, Biden defeated Trump 334-6.
    In the 117th, in Borchert Field, Biden won 465-9.
    Trump received 15 or fewer votes in 16 Milwaukee voting wards including a total 7,389 registered voters. Biden defeated him 5,217 to 151 in them.
    Trump won only four Milwaukee voting wards in 2020 to Biden’s 323.
    Wisconsin is one of 21 states that allow same-day voter registration at the polls.

    When you read
    (Editor's note: After the original version of this story was published Nov. 4 at 3:09 p.m. the county updated the voter registration data on their data portal and updated voting tallies for precincts 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276 and 277. The most up to date data is available here. Nov. 5. 3:57 p.m.)

    This was the first graph I provided you with numbers in the 200% range. The claim was the Biden votes were accidentally counted twice. The second graph I provided you is from the City of Milwaukee after they withdrew their original version. So here in lies the problem.

    The first graph I provided you was the numbers put together from their first report of vote tallies and it was published. It was so off the charts it gained attention from everyone. Those numbers were tabulated from this site on November 5.

    https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/

    It was also picked up and tallied by Ideas and data and published on November 10.
    https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/...r-fraud-in-the-2020-us-presidential-election/

    So before we all start trying to piss on everyones links, it isn't the links making the statements of voter counts. It was the City of Milwaukee. All these people did was report what was being reported.

    So by just the numbers in the final (second graph) I provided you, the only way they would hold true, would be for every democrat, every independent, and 25% of all republicans voted for Biden. Thats how the numbers fall. You can displace them any way you want but at the end of the day, these numbers are impossible for any district.

    You could say that all republicans, all democrats and what ever percentage of independents the graph provides voted for Biden. It doesn't matter. Its obvious that they couldn't have fallen that way no matter how you mix them up.
     
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  5. Just A Man

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    And I'll keep doing it as long as there are race baiters and race whores in the news. Surely you don't have a problem discussing race issues in the USA? Thanks for reading all my posts.
     
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    Lots of things are impossible until they happen.
     
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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with requiring ID to vote. Almost every other modern nation requires it. Full stop.
     
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    Sure they are. Why do you suppose that they must have a different set of standards to exercise the same kind of fundamental right? You seem pretty squishy on this.
     
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    That's a lot of assumptions on your part. You may have seen behind the curtain of lies from Biden, and you'd dismiss it because it puts into question the narrative that you want to support. And when you say "slip of the tongue, perhaps what you really meant was the senior moment of clarity where the compulsion to lie was briefly unavailable to Joe. Either way, the comment was both in context, and he may or may not have been truthful. And yet, here you are ready with the defense. Interesting.
     
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    So here's the experiment. Given how many illegally owned firearms that are out there, and there are certainly plenty of existing laws and background checks, you hyperventilate every day about this. Now explain how this example wouldn't ever be used in the context of voting. You seem entirely willing to ignore the possibility, which is the foundational basis for why we have gun restrictions.

    When democrats go to nursing homes to harvest ballots, why do you suppose they never vote for republicans? Who verifies that what was harvested was in fact done so that cannot be the outcome? You seem pretty willing to build in all kinds of potential for fraud. Why is that?
     
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    You make it easy:
    One popular — and very false — claim is that the battleground state had more ballots cast than registered voters. An online article shared widely on social media narrowed that claim to Milwaukee, the state’s largest city and a Democratic stronghold.

    "Seven Milwaukee wards report more 2020 presidential votes than registered voters," stated a Nov. 4, 2020 article from Milwaukee City Wire.

    City Wire later updated the article, but not before an array of other purported news sources echoed the same supposed finding. Those posts remained online after City Wire updated its post the afternoon of Nov. 5. The claim also got some increased attention after a tweet from Sean Hannity.

    This article was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook).

    Bottom line: It’s wrong. Very wrong.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ukee-wards-did-not-have-more-votes-president-

    https://checkyourfact.com/2020/11/13/fact-check-over-100-percent-voter-turnout-milwaukee-wisconsin/

    https://www.wisn.com/article/debunk...tes-than-registered-milwaukee-voters/34591256

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...re-votes-than-people-registered-idUSKBN27K2WU


    Milwaukee voter turnout 83%
    https://www.fox6now.com/news/83-tur...l-ballots-cast-compared-to-460k-this-election
     
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    I accept your concession. Thank you for admitting there was no voter fraud in the 2020 election.
     
  14. Indlib

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    In summary, you have a chart that shows more voters then registered voters because they used outdated registration numbers. You also have record voter turnouts that somehow equates to a mathematical impossibility.

    My advice. Fact check your claims before posting and learn about probability and statistics.
     
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    Discussing race issues and playing the race card ad nauseam are two distinct things.

    Of course I read your posts. That is why I am here...to read political posts and occasionally respond.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with voter ID. Lets just call this what it is. The shady left wants illegal votes and people showing an ID makes it hard for illegals to vote. Very sad considering you cant' even get into Mexico without an ID
     
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    It was an assumption based on the context of the entire speech he was giving where in your case it was an opening for a "Sleepy Joe Bad" partison attack.
     
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    The numbers speak for themselves no matter how much you decide to ignore them. Wait until midterms. We will see how despondent your are then.
     
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    And that was because they were showing way over 100% turnout. In some cases, 200%. Then Milwaukee retracted their claim and said due to a voter count error, Biden votes were counted twice. Then they came up with their current claim. If their current voter claim is true, then statistics would show that every Democrat and every Independent, and 25% of Republicans voted for Biden. That would be a historical 1st as the likelihood of such odds would dwarf the lottery.
     
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    Gosh... I don't recall suggesting that 'sleepy joe bad' anything. I suggested in a moment of truth and clarity Joe admitted his participation in his team's, as he put it, "the best team for voter fraud". That is quite a self indictment. Has anyone asked Joe to clarify his statement?

    When put in the context of the House voter bill, it certainly begs the question that so little effort on the part of democrats to actively try to include non US citizens voting, especially the "no fault" clause included within the legislation that overcomes the illegality of non citizens from voting being then charged. How fascination is that? It's like Democrats are openly telling all of us that no matter who votes, those votes will be counted and used, and no legal liability for violating the existing and established law will be possible. This is the back story, and the context within which we see what Joe said as having quite a glimpse of the truth of what the democratic party are attempting to foist on our nation.

    Do you agree with democrats here that violating our established law is the moral thing to do here? If so, why?
     
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    I didn't ignore them. I just think my definition of mathematically impossible are different then yours.

    "Wait until midterms". Careful, your tribalism is slippi
     
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    Like flying pigs and unicorns? Yeah, right. lol
     
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    I told you before, I am not supporting either party doing these things. But you can guarantee the door is now open because everyone seems to be just fine with impossible voter counts. No questions, nobody made to come forward and explain, its all good now?

    Like you for example. You have spent post after post rationalizing this turnout and vote count. 90% turnout, sure, stupid excuses as to why the first count was in the 200% range, no problem, final counts that have never been recorded in history, must be magic.

    Like I said, you have had no problem ignoring the results, like most these days. You have no problem with the media hosting thousands of fake news articles because you won't question it and they must be right this time. How many sheep have bought into the the whole mask idea to protect you from a .03 micron virus with a 10 micron mask over a virus that has over a 98% recovery rate.

    Its a free country, for now. Go ahead and buy into whatever makes you happy. The end result will not favor your loyalty.
     
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    I have no problem answering your question but you have me at a disadvantage as I have not read the HR1 bill.

    Can you be more specific about this "no fault" reference?
     
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    Do me a favor and post a link to your attribution of what you claim Biden said.
     

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