Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Once they had him down, they had a duty to use non-lethal means to restrain Floyd.
    So far, the prosecution has presented a good case Chauvin is responsible. He used lethal force on George Floyd against policy and training.
    Huh? Floyd died under Chauvin's knee. The defense had better come up with a different explanation fir Floyd's death.
     
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    Sure son. The MPD teaches the murder by the knee to the neck technique, every cop in Minnesota practices that. And Floyd committed drug induced suicide while Chauvin's knee was on his neck for 9:29 mins, just a coincidence.

    An anonymous poster in a mostly anonymous discussion forum contradicting all the expert witness testimony. You're so convincing, all those experts don't hold a candle to your expertise. I smell a tinge of racism in your post ("appease black voters").
     
  3. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As do tens of millions of other Americans. In the long run it can cause health issues, including strokes, but as the doctor explained that was not yet cause in Floyd's case.
     
  4. LangleyMan

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    He chose to leave his knee on George Floyd for more than nine minutes, an "unreasonable risk" to the man's health.
    He acted against training and policy. He was not faced with a threatening situation.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    This is speculation that so far is contradicted by the evidence.
    The prosecution want Chauvin.
     
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    So I am right saying no cop took the stand and defended him.
     
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    It's not a quack opinion and other expert witnesses including the ME have stated it was his heart that gave out during the physical struggle HE CAUSED. The officers wanted nothing more than for him to be in that police SUV, sitting quietly with the AC running while they await the medical assistance they had called for as a code 4 and then ramped up to a code 3. It was Floyd who refuse to cooperate even injurying himself in the process. His heart disease was in his arteries one of which was blocked 90% and the other 75% and it only takes 70% to be able to cause a cardio/pulmonary event as was testified. The officers and struggled with him twice, even the bystanders and his own friends standing across the street were yelling and pleading with him to stop fighting and stop resisting. He was a HUGE man. He thrust himself to the ground. The officers were not going to struggle with him anymore or try to lift him up again and into the vehicle. He was subject to a sudden outburst as was testified to people under the influence of these drugs often display. So they made the decision to just hold him there where he had finally quieted down for the arriving any second ambulance.

    I just do anything to follow the evidence and facts presented.
     
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    The ton of prove has been provided by the medical experts and cops.

    So far the defense put up an idiot saying Chauvin did not use force, since it did not cause any pain... which he later had to back peddle on. He also said he could still breath since he can talk, but he aint a medical expert at all.
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    I don't know how they explain doing what was done to Floyd after he stopped resisting.
     
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    The medical report says it's a homicide, because of what Chauvin. It would not have been a homicide, if it was due to his heart, covid, sickle cell, drugs and bla bla bla.
    They guy who wrote that report doubled down under oath. So the joke is on you in thinking you're opinion is founded on the opinion of a medical expert who examined Floyd.
     
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    His heart failed because of the lethal dose of the drugs he had inside him, even the forensic expert on the Headline News panel admitted after seeing additional body cam footage Floyd was already suffering a cardio/pulmonary arrest while he was sitting on the ground leaning against the building before they tried to put him into the SUV.

    And I have cited over and over and over that the ME use of the word homicide does not indicate a crime, he even testified to that so stop repeating that canard. He died as a result of the lethal dose of drugs, his advance cardio disease and the physical struggle HE CAUSED to occur.

    Tell me if he had broken free back at his car and he started running and the police gave chase telling him to give it up, and he kept running through alleys and over some fences and he started saying "I can't breath" but he kept running and the police kept chasing him and he dropped to the ground and died. Would you blame the police for his death. Would you want them charged because the chase caused his death. The stress of the chase combined with the lethal dose of drugs and his advance heart disease killed him so the police should be charged because they didn't stop chasing him?
     
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    No evidence has been presented that says his heart "gave out." In fact, there has been a lot of evidence to the contrary.
     
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    Nope. The medical examiner stated it's a homicide because of what Chauvin did in his report. He doubled down under oath when he took the stand. That's not a hired gun. Other medical experts also said it is impossible that Floyd would have overdosed. People who overdose on that drug die so fast that the drug does not degrade in other products, and his body blood had plenty of degraded products and no new pills in his stomach.... proving he did not die from an overdose. How much these medical expert earn was put up, and it's totally reasonable. One person even did it for free.

    You would have known this, if you followed the trail. You obviously have not, and don't know what you're talking about. And so the only hired guns there are, are the lawyers of the defense team.
     
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    The public and private medical examiners both do not say that his death was due to a lethal dose of drugs, but are calling it a homicide by the hands of Chauvin.

    That indeed does not indicate a crime. It does rule out a drug overdose. If it's a crime or not depends if Chauvin unreasonably caused that homicide. And the cops who took the stand all say what Chauvin did was a unreasonable use of deadly force. The guy was not breathing for 3 minutes, yet they went on with applying deadly force,... while deadly force may only be used if other peoples lives would be in danger... and since he was cuffed: no such danger.

    Pay attention: Medical experts said he would no have died if it wasn't for Chauvin and even a healthy person would have died at the knee of Chauvin they way he was going at it.
     
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    Did this cardiologist treat Mr. Floyd? Did he perform an autopsy?

    Is there any reason to think his opinion is informed?
     
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    Propaganda Alert!
    He didn't die of heart failure according to medical testimony so far.
     
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    Again.
    The ME say he died because of what Chauvin did to him, and that his drugs or his heart disease or anything else did not cause his death.... under oath!
    A forensic pathologist found nothing on Floyd why else he would have died that night.... under oath!

    These are the facts presented in the trail, and not your quack opinion about it.
     
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    Many have not too.
     
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    The person who did the autopsy said he died because of what Chauvin did to him, and that his drugs or his heart disease or anything else did not cause his death.... under oath!
    Now what?
     
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    There were several things which contributed to his death. His lifestyle was one as the medical examiner testified to as was Cauvin's actions.
     
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    The ME testified you cannot compress the neck and breathing from behind like that and this video further proves that.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    No, no, and yes.
     
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    Well hells bells then. What is the purpose of this trial?
     
  24. LangleyMan

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    His chest was compressed.
     
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    Floyd's causing the physical struggle with the police is what he ME testified contributed to the death he testified the knee did not cause it. I heard the forensic expert on the HLN coverage state that after watching the body cam footage showed today of Floyd when they had him leaning against the building and his inability to keep sitting up and falling over and his complaints about not being able to breath showed the cardio/pulmonary arrest was beginning.
     
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