the "replacement theory."

the working class is being replaced, not by the democratic politicians seeking votes, but by american job creators who are tired of paying americans to do the work that immigrants do better and cheaper.

as long as these job creators want immigrants, and they prefer illegal, no wall is high enough to stop them.

 

Hello, have you seen lately what automation has done to jobs? The working class have been losing their jobs for a long time. Look at how Cotton is harvested compared to the 'good old days'. What do you think about the way Pecans are harvested? Have you seen how an automobile is made? There's a lot more than just immigrants for a laborer to fear these days.

 

It's clear that somebody wants illegal immigrants in this country or they wouldn't keep coming and being allowed in despite not going through legal means. So, instead of fighting about it, how about the employers seeking those laborers provide the infrastructure needed for their ingress?

 

the only way i can explain that is that if the employees are illegal, and if they want a raise or heaven forbid to unionize, a simple call to the border patrol makes the problem go away.

 

I've repeatedly looked for any kind of evidence that immigration leads to a net loss of jobs for the native workforce. I've found no such evidence. In general, that just isn't how economics works. Immigration generally leads to more jobs, not fewer. Economics is not a zero-sum game.

 

Correct. The formula only works as exploitation.

 

You won't find them because it doesn't exist.

There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do
A detailed look at immigrants (legal and illegal) and natives across occupations

https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do

 

The only jobs that illegals are landing are jobs no American wants to do in the first place, so what the hell is being "replaced"?

 

Of course this is about having these people vote and influence American public policy. Democrats would let people in Nicaragua vote in our presidential elections if they could get away with it.

The cheaper labor is another incentive but I honestly do not mind legal immigration of these people and guest worker expansion. We need to end a path to citizenship for anybody who violates and disrespects our laws. That way these people are not a political threat to republicans and not a political asset to democrats.

 

What extremely illogical and juvenile thinking. The only "threat" that exists is in the rabid minds of folks who espouse such nonsense.

 

Outside Trump rhetoric, do you have any data on illegal immigrants participating in Federal and/or State elections and, if so, does your data show their participation provides an advantage to the Democrat party?

Noncitizens Don't Illegally Vote in Detectable Numbers
https://www.cato.org/blog/noncitizens-dont-illegally-vote-detectable-numbers

Donald Trump Is Wrong — Non-Citizens Don't Vote | Time
https://time.com/4669899/illegal-citizens-voting-trump/​

 

i don't necessarily agree that there are jobs that americans won't do, but the pay and working conditions must be considerably higher than many immigrants MUST accept.

 

But that is a separate issue about what we consider a living wage, a legitimate issue. You used the term "replacement theory" which has a very distinct meaning related to white nationalism. Which issue are you trying to argue?

 

These people do not come here so they can vote; they come here for jobs or for political reasons.

It is illegal for non citizens to vote; hence they do not vote.

People should look at the difference between how Cuban immigrants are treated by US law. There is no such thing as an "undocumented" immigrant from Cuba unless they commit a crime once they hit dry land:
There are no undocumented Cuban immigrants in the US because, as a result of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966, Cubans qualify for legal residency after one year on US soil and then citizenship five years later, even when they enter the country illegally. http://www.bu.edu/articles/2015/cuban-immigration/

Why do we have different laws for different immigrants.

 

Stuff and nonsense. They do t do it better just cheaper and the primary culprits are big tech and media outlets and they're incessant demand for H1Bs never mind that we graduate hundreds if not thousands of tech folks every year.

 

What media or big tech company isn't requiring visas? Be specific and provide evidence. Please stop making "stuff and nonsense" up. Plus, we still have high demand for such roles, regardless of how many graduates we are producing. Immigration is good for the economy and even for the native workforce overall. Always has been. We've known this for centuries. Trade creates wealth. Economics is not a zero-sum game.

 

And that is why the 1st generation of Cuban immigrants became staunch dyed-in-the-wool Republicans.

 

Sirius Black, thank you for posting this. I was unaware of this and now I question the different policies for different immigrants.

While I am not opposed to legal immigration, I am vehemently against the idea of breaking the law (even if the law doesn't make sense) and am devastated by the reports of criminal behavior from *some* of the people at the border. It boggles my mind how a parent or guardian can let their young children cross such dangerous territory. However, I do not mean that as a criticism. I'm a citizen therefore my children are citizens so I've never walked in these parents' shoes. It is difficult to even conceptualize what kind of disasters have befallen them to take such drastic risks to get their children here.

At the end of the day, I think we all should be grateful that we live in a country where we are relatively safe and free and have some understanding, however limited, that really is all anybody wants.

 

But, no pressure, right? You might as well wait for them to colonize another planet.

 

In this case Castro.

 

What the hell do you think an H1B is? In this country the only places hiring illegal immigrants are food processing plants, and construction where subcontractors can almost literally get away with murder. If you pay cash to a Latino looking do to get your lawn mowed you probably just funded an illegal immigrant.

 

Not exactly no. There are a lot if other things involved in the equation not just immigration. A lot if legal migration is great if the economy is on fire. Illegal Immigration at all times mainly serves to depress wages especially for unskilled labor.
An excessive supply of labor is a bad thing for workers and its worse in a slow or declining labor market and it doesn't matter whether those laborers are illegal immigrants or Americans.

 

agribusiness, construction, child care, meat processing, hotel employees, landscaping, household and child care etc etc etc. the engineers, computer scientists, doctors, nurses, and teachers probably have an h1b, but they might have just overstayed a student visa. american job creators prefer immigrants, and illegal is a plus.

 

Someone mentioned that illegals can't unionize. But that's wrong, they can unionize. I heard there's a spot where they wait for employers to hire them and they're unionized. Anyone who works for less than $300 a day gets beaten up.

 

All things being equal? They're not equal. There are different situations for different groups.