A True History Of The United States

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is RBCS.

    And when you say "they", are you not American?
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That doesn't mean slavery was invented in the United States or that we were the only country that had slaves.

    Slavery started WAY before the US was even colonized. Like, ancient times.
     
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    They're saying that America invented keeping blacks as slaves. Which, of course, is false.
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The US is great, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. Indeed a large part of our greatness comes from the fact that we admit our faults and try to do something about them, and our ignoring those faults is one of the reasons we're a lot less great than we once were.
     
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    In respect to many Central and Latin American nations damned close. Just as one frex look at all the Democratically elected governments we overthrew to install tyrants who we then supported against their own people.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Then I'll be in touch now. I know of really few leftists who try to say that all Americans were unalloyed evil. The abolitionists before the ACW and the Union Army after Antietam. The Americans who died fighting Naziism. These are just a few examples of America doing right and setting a very commendable example for the rest of the world.

    We are good people, we could be better.
     
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    Race based chattell slavery.

    No.
     
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    RACIAL slavery (for the 100th time)

    Racial slavery is what white americans invented
     
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    No, were saying white americans invented a style of slavery that exclusively targeted ppl based on skin colour.
     
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    And that is a proven lie which has been settled on this thread,

    Americans did not invent it. RBCS has been around since the the start of slavery and you lostr that argument.

    Your claims are all proven fallacies
     
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    On this threasd that claim has been proven a lie. Much like the lie about Greeks stealing their philosophy from the egyptians.
     
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    OTOH, It has to be wondered whether Ancient or even some forms of modern Slavery were really what we would call slavery at all. If you examine slavery in the Ottoman or late Roman Empires the word 'servitude seems much more appropriate. Race-based slavery in the US and the Caribbean was truly the "Peculiar Institution" indeed, resembling nothing so much as what the Nazis practiced in WWII.
     
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    This is plainly false, lol. Romans had their slaves fight to the death for pure entertainment. Adding "race based" to slavery to make it sound like there was some special kind of slavery in the US is revisionist and naive. Conquered people were sold into slavery. There were slaves all over the world. For the US, it was most efficient to get slaves from the West Coast of Africa than from India or China.
     
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    Nat Turner didn't in particular preach he, for better or worse acted. Got himself and a bunch of other black people killed, but did give the lie to the stupid notion of them 'd' just be content down on the plantation. Note without Caucasians there is no underground railroad.
    That, sir, is true of all of us. None of us are now or ever will be perfect. We lack the necessary prerequisites.
     
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    and it is also not what we are saying. after bacon's rebellion whites were allowed to marry, have children, and were promised property in the west as a reward for a set time of faithful service. blacks were bred as animals, to other slaves but as likely to their masters their slavery was forever except in rare cases discouraged by law.their children were property and family attachments were not encouraged.
     
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    While all of that seems consistent with my understanding of history, it's not the reason that blacks were brought here, almost exclusively, from the beginning. I contend it was a matter of cheap labor (cheap, not free, because there was a cost to transporting West Africans to the Americas). Had Native Americans been as easy to "domesticate", there was a ready-made population of slaves here.

    This sounds horrible, and racsism was a part of it. But to blame America for this and ignore slavery's history prior to the discovery of the "New World" is naive at best and dishonest at worst.
     
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    No, they didn't. They bought the cheapest slaves at the lowest cost. That happened to be blacks from West Africa.
     
  18. jcarlilesiu

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    Wow. Absolutely that's false. It takes an amazing amount of America hating ignorance to believe that.
     
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    So no. We didn't bomb anybody. So your statement was patently false nonsense.

    I agree.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Um. No.

    Please educate yourself.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...0/after-all-didnt-america-invent-slavery/amp/

    "By the 8th century A.D., African slaves were being sold to Arab households in a Muslim world that, at the time, spanned from Spain to Persia.

    By the year 1000 A.D., slavery had become common in England’s rural, agricultural economy, with the poor yoking themselves to their landowners through a form of debt bondage. "



    However, complying with my own stance that I won't discuss US politics with outsiders, as most of them are just American haters, I have to put you on ignore.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, so you want to word Smith in order to blame the US as well?

    Are you American?
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense.

    Arab Muslims enslaved blacks long before America was even discovered.
     
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    I'll never get this either. Nobody is saying the US is perfect. That is no reason not to place it first in our politics or shame the people living here today for passed transgressions.
     
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    The truth of slavery in the US hasw never been denied and has been taught in schools for over a century. The lert has this bizzare notion that the right wants to erase the bad parts of Us history which has never been true.

    There is simply no reason to focus on the bad OVER the good.
     
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    You plan to post anything to prove that statement at any point and I don't mean none of your hokey pokey things you find on the internet I mean actual real information
     

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