We're Witnessing a Marxist Revolution in America Today

Let’s see, the pro police state, pro militarism, xenophobic light, pro corporate censorship, pro McCarthyism is less dangerous than the inept R party, because half their dumb base refuses to accept the obvious? Your fascist D party is also using the lunacy of the other party to strengthen the police state as well.
Get out of here with that faux concern about democracy, when your party is just as much of a threat to democracy.

 

Marxism does not find World Revolution to be necessary. Communism does. Real Marxism is gradualist, supplanting Capitalism by being a better system like Capitalism did to Feudalism. Communism says the "big owners" will not give up without a fight. Marxism says that is a conspiracy theory; everyone will be better off.

Marxism (and people go crazy when I say this but it's so) has no actual prohibitions against small businessmen. "I have on problem with shopkeepers ," was what Marx himself actually said. Marx thought the MEANS OF PRODUCTION should be owned by the people, not everything.

Utopian communism is actually called Marxism-Leninism, and most of what we call communism is actually from Lenin. "Communist" is a name thought up by Fredrich Engels, Marx's main sponsor who owned the factory that financed them both. His actual contribution to Marxist "theory" is minimal though he did write the "Communist Manifesto".

Marxism actually "triumphed" in the US when we passed the Anti Trust Legislation in the 1890s. "Real" totally unregulated Capitalism is NOT something anyone alive today has ever lived under, nor would we want to

 

And Marxism isn’t a better system. That’s why communists have to use force to implement it.

 

Our constitution establishes a limited central governemnt which is contrary to Marxist beliefs

 

That's kind of a slippery slope fallacy, "some regulations are good so lots more of them are also good".

A lot of these regulations we already have are not really needed, or come with some big trade-offs.

Maybe "capitalism" wouldn't be failing if the country was not continuously bringing in more and more people. Puts a strain on job availability and housing supply. But you just see that as "capitalism" being all to blame.

 

I had you pegged for a middle of the road non partisan after a few posts and we could have meaningful discussions.
I see that was entirely wrong.

 

What Marxist beliefs are those?

What regulations are those?

 

State what I have said that is wrong.
There’s ample evidence from the lunacy of the last four years, to point out the extreme shift in the Democratic Party.
I will gladly point out how the so called “progressive” Democrat party, which we all know it’s just a part of the two party corporate duopoly has shifted closer to fascism than you, and your fellow blue team cheerleaders would like to admit.

 

We're Witnessing a Marxist Revolution in America Today

That is a bit hyperbolic in my view. But we do have marxist elements in the society making a lot of noise and getting away with it because the public doesn't understand it.

 

The ones that require government intervention to implore the socio economic values and system Marx defined and supported.

Capitalism, not laissez-faire type, is pretty self governing as all arrangements and agreements are between individuals. In Marx supported system, depends heavily on a strong central government to manage all property and production.

 

I give a rats patooty about the Dem party. They are no different than the R party.

 

Well that much we can agree on. I would suggest learning what actual fascism is, and how when the term is so flippantly used it holds as much meaning as when socialism/communism is used by knuckle heads on the right.
Sorry for being confrontational, it just drives me nuts how insane the once rational left has become, all due to trump.

 

That's pretty clearly not an answer, as it begs the question of WHAT values?

To my knowledge, Marx never really clearly defined communism or socialism. His greatest work was "Das Kapital" and it is about CAPITALISM and how it was becoming more and more unworkable and was necessarily going to be supplanted by the next thing coming, just as Capitalism had supplanted Feudalism

And I know your head may explode when I say this but I know of nothing in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence that says the entire economic system can't be socialist as long as it is a system that has been democratically arrived at. Those two documents don't discuss economics at all but rather rights and laws, which rights we must have and how laws must be written to preserve them.

 

It seems you're mostly trying to obscure the issue and make it unnecessarily overcomplicated, as some sort of attempt to dissipate the thrust coming from the other side.

 

To make Marx’s dreams come true, you have to take property away from people and allocate its use to someone else. People don’t like voluntarily giving up ownership of their major property assets, so it has to be implemented by force, which is how almost all communist regimes have come to power. This isn’t rocket science. Marx was a pipe dreamer who never figured out a way to actually get from A to B without violence.

And because humans are naturally self-centered and morally imperfect, the communist governments claiming to pursue Marxism have been the most corrupt and most brutal because they have so much power and so little accountability.

 

And it seems you are trying to oversimplify a complex matter in order to impose a regime governed by slogans and talking points. Please note that far from obfuscating I am asking questions trying to make things clearer. Questions that you are refusing to answer

 

Almost all of the early Marxist writings consisted of criticisms. They did not really have any clear specific ideology for how exactly things should be changed.
That was of course obviously implied, but not too much was written on it.
But it's fair to say the term "Marxism" has taken on a lot of additional meaning since Marx himself died. Numerous others built on his ideas, in what was almost a natural progression.

 

When has either party been rational?
30 yrs ago?
And the party of the Big Lie is worse IMO.
They are attempting to over turn our democracy and legit elections.

 

Your statement that 'almost all of the early Marxist writings consisted of criticisms' is exactly one of the most important aspects that define the Marxist movement in America today. Mark Levin was on Hannity tonight outlining that very element of 'criticism' that defines one such way that Marxism leaves its mark on our society. The Left 'criticizes' and or cancels out our history, our whiteness, our individual freedom rights, our Christianity, our successful people, our forefathers, our constitution, our individual beliefs that don't agree with theirs, our so-called racism, our so-called hatred for illegals, our opposition to big government, global warming fanatics, globalists, our unborn etc. etc.

Mark Levin went into great detail on American Marxism for the entire hour on Hannity tonight. But he just scratched the surface of just how onerous the spread of American Marxism is today coming from the Left. The most important book in our lifetime will be Mark Levin's book titled 'American Marxism' coming out next Tuesday. Mark said from the 7th chapter on that he discusses ways in which the ordinary people (mostly middle class) can fight against this Marxism before America falls like every other Marxist nation has done.

 

Income tax is the second plank of the Communist Manifesto. I really think we went down the wrong road by allowing the practice of taxing the fruits of labor in the first place. I believe that Capital should be taxed rather than labor. Now the IRS has used this practice to slowly chip away at the Bill Of Rights and personal privacy in general. Banks used to have fiduciary relationships with their clients. Now because of the outrageous power assumed by the IRS over the years, banks are little more than informants for IRS. I do not think Marx foresaw what he was condoning back when he wrote his manifesto. I have no problem with creating laws to control the power of corporations and monied interests, but what we have adopted does more to keep American workers from acquiring any real wealth.

 

He's probably right, and does a lot of research and brings together gushy facts, but I just really do not like his books or style of writing. That's not to say something can't be gleaned from them.
Maybe he's writing to a slightly lower common denominator, which maybe he unfortunately has to do to have an effacious message.

 

So Marxism is just "anything I don't like," right? Minimum wages, gays marrying, blacks voting, kids on your lawn, anything and everything. It's all MARXISM, is that it? Convenient I guess, you don't have to actually define or delineate or even THINK at all. My god, this is MADE for conservatives.

I can't wait to get this book. What I really want to see is Chapter 7, though I predict it will be short. 1. Get Rope, 2. Find Democrats, (and Mike Pence) 3. Profit.

 

They’re both rational. Looking out for their own self interests. The problem is the federal government has too much damned power.

 

And the supporters do not question that accountability, because "government is a good thing, government solves all our problems, government is God". They just don't even have the mentality to imagine their government could do something bad to them. If you try to explain it to them they act like they're listening to an implausible conspiracy theory. It's too mentally complicated and uncomfortable for them to imagine how government powers could be abused and how there could be no accountability on those who misused their power they were entrusted with.

That explains how lots of "good Communists" were sent off to be executed, and they wrote letters to Stalin naively thinking that he would save them, if only he knew about their situation, when Stalin himself had signed the special warrants for their arrests and executions.

 

Karl Max theories were based on the inherent downfall of capitalism and thus advocated for socialism and ultimately communism. Socialism and communism rely heavily on government institutions to regulate, control, and administer those systems.

And absolutely our constitution limits the ability to provide this level of oversight and control. The constitution limits the powers of the federal government to only those enumerated. Full socialism, or communism would require the fed to violate those limitations.

If you want your individual state to institute those systems, go for it.