Gen. Lee statue can be removed, Virginia Supreme Court rules

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Since 1869, after the war and that ruling on Texas and it's unique entry and over technical issue concerning bonds still debated. Why didn't Lincoln go to court?

    Yet liberals wanted theirblue states to do so after Trump won....
     
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    He resigned his commission. His higher loyality was to his State. Are you seriously going to contend that Lee should have led a military attack on his own home and family and friends leading OTHER STATES?
    Stop trying to view to the prism of today it makes you view of history quite distorted.
     
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    I believe it was restored by the Congress else I am sure someone would have raised the issue but again this after the fact after Lincoln caused the death of over 600,000 because he said they could not secede.
     
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    Don't know why trade with the US which also was heavily dependent on that slave labor as was Europe would have continued.
    I have no desire for one and would not do so to someone nor would I back then like most Southerners.
     
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    Lee did not perform well after he lost Jackson. Like Meade Lee was an engineer, and far more effective on defense.
    Gettysburg was an disastrous blunder for Lee. Davis should have negotiated a surrender ASAP after Gettysburg.
     
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    Educated people will remember that he lost….he’s famous for losing…

    Probably fitting that Trump admires him…losers banding together…
     
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    I would hope that most 8th Graders would know that it was the South that lost the war, not simply R.E. Lee.

    Speaking of education, let's have a pop quiz:

    Name one West Point graduate who received no demerits during his entire 4 years at West Point.

    I'll wait ...
     
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    America gave Lee the boot, same as America gave Trump the boot, losers gonna lose
     
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    Thanks for an informed and informative comment with which I largely agree.
    I'm still surprised that the South made it as far North as they did due to the many shortages they had in manpower and supplies.
     
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    Beauregard could have pursued the routed Army of the Potomac after First Bull Run and occupied Washington. Then the South might have had a chance.

    And if Beauregard had pursued the routed Union forces under Grant and Sherman at Shiloh the South might have had another chance.

    Beauregard delivered a triple whammy to the CSA.
     
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    Had to be a really good one - right? Grant! ;-)
     
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    They had to rig an election to get rid of Lee?
     
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    America didn't give Lee the boot.

    Lee was invited to the White House by Grant, made president of a university and had 5 commemorative stamps issued in his honor.

    How about you?
     
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    I'm afraid not.

    It was Lee.

    But just for the sake of trivial knowledge, it was Custer who racked up the most demerits.
     
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    The really good boy and the really bad boy - both destined to lose.
    All things considered it ended better for Lee if not for his side.
     
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    Because SC never ceased to be a state there could never be a question of the Union opening hostilities.
     
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    This is one long lie. The South never had any legitimate claims to independence.
     
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    Not really. You should be able to put up any statue you want in jurisdictions where you live. I don't want statues of traitors where I live and will include my wish in registering my vote for pols responsible for deciding such matters.

    There is no excuse, IMO, for trashing public monuments, period. I was impressed by looks of the Lee monument taken down recently and maybe someone else wants to erect it in their community.
     
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    I'll take the university research over your word. I note you refuted nothing it said.
     
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    Nope at the time as noted, Lincoln initiated the hostilities not SC.
     
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    Texas v White
    South Carolina was never outside the Union.
    Regardless of when the verdict was rendered, the principle is eternal.
     
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    Why are you talking something years later? The history is Lincoln used Fort Sumter to initiate hostilities. The CSA had no intention of starting a war.
     
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    No. SC had no standing as an independent state, ever. Lincoln had every right, a duty in fact, to defend federal property against a criminal assault.
     
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    They believed they did just as stated in the DoI and Lincoln started the hostilities with intention of starting a war.
     
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    Lincoln acted consistently to preserve the Union and, if possible, to avoid war.
    It does not matter in the slightest what false beliefs the secessionists shared. Their determination to overturn a legitimate Presidential election result and wreck the Union to protect slavery was the cause of the war.
     
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