Gen. Lee statue can be removed, Virginia Supreme Court rules

So you admit that you can't address what the South had to say about their own motives, so now you are shifting the goal posts. Cute. I'll play your game. Maybe I'll get lucky and you'll actually address the sources I provided. I doubt that will ever happen. Notice how you failed to address WHAT THE SOUTH SAID ABOUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF LINCOLN'S INTENTIONS? Guess that was too much to hope for.

Yet he has hundreds of quotes showing that he DID want to get rid of slavery. What you need to understand here, and never will, is that he's talking about HIS EXECUTIVE POWER. He had no executive power to get rid of slavery. He didn't want such power. He wanted it handled in the legislature. But he did WANT TO SET SLAVERY ON A COURSE FOR ULTIMATE EXTINCTION. He said so. South Carolina used that quote as a justification for seceding. A fact you will never be able to address.

Ah, one of the most common, absolute laziest, and intellectually dishonest tropes. One which I've addressed hundreds of times. It's a miracle people are still so desperate that they are willing to dust off this argument and try to polish the turd.

Notice how nothing here is about slavery? Read it again. Okay, now read it a third time. Get it now? Yes, Lincoln was racist, as I've said myself on the forums. That doesn't mean he was pro-slavery. He was anti-slavery. Most anti-slavery whites at the time WERE RACIST! How did you not already know that? You can be racist and still not believe it is okay to own people as property. Are you seriously going to tell me that this concept is too complex for you to comprehend?

Polishing the same turd again? See above.

Red alert! Red alert! We've reached peak turd polishing! This turd can't take much more, captain! See above.

Lincoln was a racist. Lincoln was against slavery and wanted to put it on its course for ultimate extinction. Doesn't take too many brain wrinkles for someone to be able to hold both of those thoughts in their head at the same time.

 

Lol Lincoln did not want to get rid of slavery because he wanted to set the slaves free. Lincoln wanted to get rid of slavery because, as I quoted him, he believed that the American system was meant for white people. And he believed that “A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together.”

What you union propagandists never acknowledge is that he didn’t want to get rid of slavery because he wanted to free black people and was wholly against the idea of slavery. He did so because HIS solution was REMOVAL of the black populace out of the United States but he couldn’t do so because they were considered property and he didn’t have the right to deny citizens of their property.

He wasn’t doing so because he wanted them to be free and until his bullshit propagandist speech he had never intimated as such.

The northern propagandists never acknowledge the dirty little secret that the south believed you could live peacefully and coexist with blacks as long as they were controlled. The north wanted them removed because they didn’t want anything to do with them at all.

That’s why the entirety of your propaganda is specious at best. They didn’t care about freeing slaves and they sure as hell didn’t go to war so they could live beside free black men.

 

Yes. He was racist. He also wanted to get rid of slavery. You are still struggling with an extremely simple concept.

Lol, dude, I've repeatedly criticized Lincoln for both his racism and his overreach (though the South was far worse in this regard). Your bad argument just keeps getting worse. I never praised Lincoln or the Union (funny how upset you are that someone would defend our country, but oh well) as being some kind of great, noble liberators. By the way, he later went back on his idea of "removal."

Your obsession with a strawman is a poor excuse for why you have yet to address any historical source provided, whereas I've addressed all of yours.

He did want them free. He "intimated" as such hundreds, if not thousands, of times. Just because he wanted to expel them afterward doesn't mean he didn't want them free.

Fun fact: there were these things called the Lincoln-Douglas debates. You should look them up when you decide to actually do some homework on this subject.

*******n, this is just getting hilarious "We can get along with them, so long as they are treated as our subhuman property." Comedy gold.

Some did. Some didn't. Didn't change the fact that they didn't want them to be slaves.

They absolutely cared about freeing the slaves. They created a party with that goal. The fact that they were racist and that many of them wanted to expel the free slaves does not change that fact. It only takes two braincells to rub together to figure that out. And I never said they "went to war so they could live beside free black men." Now you are just desperate to make **** up. Hell, they didn't even go to war to end slavery. They went to war because of secession. SECESSION WAS BECAUSE OF SLAVERY. That was our original topic. The one you are desperate to flee from.

 

I'm agreeing with YOUR bullet point which was ONE of the reasons and again Lincoln did NOT start the war to end that slavery which was entirely legal in the United States even after the war.

 

You have yet to address any primary source I've provided or any historical fact regarding the reason FOR SECESSION. You keep trying to change the subject to Lincoln. On the rare occasion that you do mention the motives of the South, you do not discuss any historical sources.