Doctors grow frustrated over COVID-19 denial, misinformation

This has been a grand experiment in societal control! If you can convince people to distrust and abandon their own biological defense system for a untested experimental vaccine with side effects and surrounded in controversy with obvious ignored data, then you can get them to what ever you like by simply scaring them..

 

Children will always follow the Pied Pipers.

 

Or a bell

 

“Do not be bullied out of your common sense by the specialist; two to one, he is a pedant.” Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr.

Add money and it's twenty to one.

 

No, I have never been tested for antibodies. I have been vaccinated. I agree that those with natural immunity should not be vaccinated. Why not what?

 

I was just curious as to why you didn't opt to find out if you had antibodies is all. To late now I guess, you're committed to Science and abandoned your bodies natural immune system in this case

 

No I'm 77 years old with heart disease, cancer, chronic kidney disease and a few other problems. I view the vaccines as a life saver for me. I never had antibodies to my knowledge. I have stayed away from the virus.

 

And at 77 with all that you felt you had never built an immunity to a virus.. Hell Cancer alone must have, hell has given you T-Cell from heaven.. But whatever, this is what disinformation and this whole box of bullshit was all about I guess..

So now at 77 you feel protected against COVID now from a vaccine, this vaccine. With all the emerging negative reviews of the vaccinated you actually feel safe now?

 

No, the science says that, if I contract Covid, I'm unlikely to die or even require hospitalization. One cannot build an immunity to a virus one's body has never encountered without a vaccine.

 

And you took a vaccine that essentially does what your immune system could have done better.. I would think, "wife died of Cancer 2018" your doctors have literally stacks of results of your blood panels and especially BLOOD WORK..

If you couldn't find that out with a simple call, I'd be getting new doctors for SURE!!

 

You aren't that misinformed are you? The immune system fights threats like a virus. If it hasn't seen a particular threat, then it doesn't know how to fight it. When a threat arrives (infection), the immune system then begins developing antibodies against that threat. Any antibodies from other threats have nothing to do with current infection. The only way to have natural immunity, then, is to contract the infection, the threat. A vaccine introduces the information the immune system needs to begin production of antibodies without infecting the body. It gives the immune system a head start. The head start helps the immune system deal more effectively with an infection if and when it arrives. It is what vaccines do.

People of my age and with my conditions represent almost all hospitalizations and deaths from covid. While hospitalizations and death among sick seniors is still relatively uncommon it is the where all the danger lies. In other words, the vaccine is far far far far less likely to cause me serious problems than covid. Hence vaccination is completely sensible. Young, healthy people make a good case for just getting infected since the chances of serious consequences are remote. Not true of old people with health problems. Hope that helps you understand things better. No need to criticize me or my doctors for protecting myself from more serious possible complications. I know what I am doing and why.

 

If you have these other conditions please go get your antibodies checked. Find a doctor who understands which test to administer and make sure you have antibodies from the vaccination.

My father in law has the same conditions you do and assumed he was protected by the vaccine. He was not and ended up almost dying from Covid. The vaccines often do not produce good immunity when conditions like yours exist. Get your antibodies checked. It’s too important to not do so.

If you do not have antibodies after vaccination I would seriously consider attempting to get a dose of monoclonal antibodies. If you can show you’ve been exposed to Covid you would qualify. They will provide you better protection than the vaccines.

 

I also mentioned T-Cell too, but that's not the point! If you had that much medical intervention and could not simply call your "Well one of them" Doctors/specialists to check if you have/had COVID antibodies, something is seriously wrong with this picture, and please don't bullshit me man.. I lived in a hospital 3 years while my wife battled cancer and I KNOW they do extensive blood panels on Cancer patients..

 

Combined natural plus vaccination is better than natural or vaccination alone, and yes natural alone is more effective than vaccine alone but it doesn't matter since the disease is more lethal than the vaccine. For his antibodies to be relevant you'd have to show that it's riskier for somebody to get the vaccine and then have an even greater protection against covid than it is for them to get the virus after having previously being infected. Haven't seen the precise numbers, but even in this group the vaccination should be of benefit, especially at 77.

 

Not true, read more, be wrong less

 

Lol. My position is very mainstream in the medical establishment so it's more on you to prove otherwise.

 

It's wrong, no need to take the vaccine if you are already immune, that's fact Try all you like you will be wrong everytime

Do COVID-19 RNA-based vaccines put at risk of immune-mediated diseases? In reply to “potential antigenic cross-reactivity between SARS-CoV-2 and human tissue with a possible link to an increase in autoimmune diseases” (nih.gov)

I can post all day, but bottom line is WHY subject yourself to a experimental vaccine if your immune system is already stronger then what it can supply

 

Maybe they should quit. If your job frustrates you to the point where you can't do it you need to find another job.

 

If vaccines don't work well then they are what they are. Thanks for your advice but if the end is due then it is what it is. People my age with my conditions don't spend a lot of time worrying about this kind of thing. Everyone dies and my death is just closer than it is for most people. I don't fear it any more than I fear covid. Also I have no reason to think I have ever been infected. I stay away from covid.

 

I have never asked anybody to check for antibodies. It has never even occurred to me to do that. I am completely content with your refusing a vaccine. Don't criticize me for my decisions. It is very unbecoming.

 

LOL, So you're saying your Cardiologist doesn't draw blood and your oncologist didn't draw blood and your nephrologist never drew blood? I'm starting to wonder if you are being strait with me Sir

I'm sure at 77 you have blood drawn for Cholesterol once a year You need to see better doctors IMHO!

 

I like the fact you don’t fear Covid. We usually don’t make good decisions when in a state of fear. I also respect your peace with death. I’ve seen a lot of people here on PF so fearful of death they wish to force others to protect them. I like your approach better.

There are tests that can determine your immune response from vaccination whether or not you ever had Covid. If you are at peace that’s great, I just want people to know there are better strategies for protection available than are common knowledge.

Take care.

 

You are suggesting that cancer or coronary heart disease can build an immunity to covid. There is no evidence of that at all. While medical science will tell you that some viruses can lead to cancer, cancer itself is not a virus. Atherosclerosis is caused by plaque being deposited on the walls of the coronary arteries. It is isn't even a disease in the common sense. It is a physical blockage of blood flow. The T cells are a part of the white blood cells that do the work of immune response. It is they that respond either to an infection or a vaccine. Antibodies are specific to the threat (virus or bacterium for instance.) You don't build immunity to a virus by having antibodies to an unrelated virus. It doesn't work that way.

 

NOOOOPE LOL, Blood test. Never mind me thinks you are a little tough to explain to.. Lets just leave it at that

I think we are done now, I have to much doubt now that are what you claim sorry

 

Yep, public health professionals are going to have a problem with major public health risks.