U.S. Should Face up to 'Shameful Past' With Tribal Nations, VP Harris Says

Democrats lost their liking of Art. Those statues are fine art. Those gone may not be replaced.
Statues can cause a viewer to be interested in history. Democrats want their tawdry history erased.

 

Again, the only people trying to erase history here is the right wing. Hell, the entire purpose of the OP is about erasing history. Germany removed their Nazi statues and art, but the people there are still well-versed in the history. Most of the statues you are talking about were erected during the Civil Rights era and were used to help promote the history-erasing Lost Cause myth. The statues were there to erase history, not preserve it.

 

Understood. Based on that I expect your are ok with the Taliban blowing up ancient Buddhist statues (which they already have). No history was lost with that demolition. Go ahead and level the Pyramids, they provide nothing with regard to human history.

Your reality does not match my reality and it also does not map on to the reality of the CRT theorists or Muslim fanatics. Both of those groups are DEEPLY aware that statues and monuments do shed light on history and more importantly, they can contribute to the current culture. It is for this reason that they insist on ERASING ALL cultural symbols that contradict their worldview.

 

Those statues were actual historical artifacts. A statue of Robert E Lee (who opposed having any statues made for him or the Confederacy) erected in the 60s isn't. And we're talking about removing statues from PUBLIC PROPERTY. Many have be simply taken to museums and to private property. That said, my former Zen priest used to laugh about that event, saying there was nothing more anti-Buddhist then trying to hang on to a statue. The acceptance of non-permanence is kind of a key thing in Buddhism.

 

Not all Americans owned slaves.
Not all Americans killed indians

Whats your point

 

My point is that no one is claiming otherwise. No one. Anywhere. I'm not even sure why you would make that up. Yet, we do have people in this thread categorically labelling Native Americans as violent barbarians. Get it now?

 

You decided to talk past me and not to me.

 

I addressed your claims and explained why they are incorrect. What requires further explanation?

 

Your defense is spreading myths.

 

No you blurted out what you believe. Trust me, you are not everybody. What you promote is absolute destruction. I promote understanding history of our country.

 

"U.S. Should Face up to 'Shameful Past' With Tribal Nations, VP Harris Says"

Ha.

 

Quote me promoting the destruction of anything. And if you promote understanding history, then why aren't you debating against the OP and people like @fmw , who said we should just ignore history?

 

There were deliberate efforts to exterminate two groups of humans in America.
Native tribes were targeted for destruction. Grant for example targeted the natives.
Southerners were exterminated by Abe Lincoln. Those are accurate historical comments.

 

Quote one myth I've spread about history.

 

How can you claim ignorance when you were upset there were statutes to Robert E Lee?

 

The first claim is true. The second is historically illiterate nonsense.

 

The myth there was a lost cause. Any people who are defeated and attempted to exterminate, the survivors will definitely speak ill of it.

 

I have no problem with statues to Robert E Lee (though he did). What I have a problem with are statues celebrating his rebellion to the US being hosted by taxpayer money paid for by the country he waged war against. People want it on their private property, or in a museum? Fine. People want to put a statue of him in celebration of something other than his Confederate service on public property? Also fine.

 

Abe did not slaughter or preside over the slaughter of the most combat deaths in our history?

 

I'm specifically saying that it is a myth that there was a lost cause. The South seceded, first and foremost, to preserve and expand slavery. The lost cause myth tries to erase that history. And there was no attempt to exterminate Southerners.

 

Most Native Americans in that time were violent barbarians. Just like most conquering this country in those times.
The US Calvary were violent barbarians in the 1800s
Southern slave owners were, the Roman Empire, Egyptians, Persians, Medes and Phoenicians.

Why does this come as a surprise to you?

 

OKay you proved you are an authoritarian. The statues ripped down were not paid for by taxes on anybody. They were long existing monuments to various types. Watch the day come when Washington will be torn down and so will Jefferson.

There were 12 presidents that owned slaves. Will we remove all of their monuments?

 

Against a force that attacked the United States? Sure. And he agonized over it and tried to negotiate treaties a wide-sweeping pardon after he won.

 

The only thing that comes to a surprise is that so many on the fringe right want to bury that part of our history.

 

It really was not the business of the North if the South stated reasons or not. They had the right to walk away.
Factually had the North first outlawed slavery, they might have had a moral duty to wage war. Slavery was legal as hell all over the USA.