30 Percent of Republicans Say True Americans May Have to Resort to Violence to Save U.S.

He said it while English blood was being shed in the colonies in name of revolution, but why do we have a need to shed blood today? If we need a revolution to overturn the system as defined in the Constitution, then you'll have to explain the reasons for it.

 

People should know every President from George Washington to Joe Biden and should know them by heart. They should also the state Capitals as well. The truth is very people in this country actually do.

 

You're comparing illegal aliens to Jews? And you think Trump is the problem??

Illegal aliens have no business in our country. Not because of their religion, or race, or creed, or national identity, or any thing else that can even remotely compared to H's issue with Jews. Their very presence on this side of the border means they are criminals, and they should be dealt with as such. Find them, arrest them, and deport them. All of them, no matter where they came from or how they got here. Obviously the mostly open southern border is the biggest problem, but it's not the only way they get here. Some come here on a bogus student visa, or overstay a tourist visa. Some drive here, some fly, and some walk. Which ever method was used, they don't belong here, they have zero right to be here, and we certainly not only have the right, but indeed the Federal Government is Constitutionally obligated to see to it they go back to whence they came.

And before you start with the "But what about the chiiiiildren...." BS, if you don't want to get separated from your kids while your happy ass goes to jail, don't commit a crime. The same as applies to American Citizens who DO have the right to be here. You people act as if we're giving them some sort of special punishment... we're not. If YOU go to jail, you're getting separated from your kids, just like some border jumper would and should be when they get caught. But rather than take on a burden that is not ours, those children should be sent back where they came from, preferably to a willing family member NOT in the US illegally, but if someone meeting that description is not available, then to whatever the Mexican, or Haitian, or German, or wherever those kids came from equivalent of CPS is.

And if we find relatives living illegally IN the US willing to take them, then they can all be deported together.

You can also forget the asylum nonsense, as 98% of the people attempting to make a claim do not have a valid one. A valid claim for asylum is the ability to provide evidence that you were or will be persecuted in your country for one of the following five (and ONLY five) reasons:

• Membership in a particular social group;
• Nationality;
• Political opinion;
• Race; or
• Religion.

Persecution generally means actual physical harm. Let's examine what is NOT on that list, shall we? I want a better life. I want a better life for my kids. I need to make money to send OUT of the US to support my family back where I'm coming from. I want a job. I want a better job. I want government handouts. Shall I keep going?

I'm no Trump fanboi. I've never been and will never be to one of his rallies. I didn't particularly like the fact that he won the GOP primary. Heck, for that matter, I never thought he was actually SERIOUS about winning the GOP primary, much less the White House, I thought it was a stunt. And while I didn't vote for him the first time around, I damn sure didn't vote for Hillary, and never would, no matter who her opponent was. Not that I have or had any interest or desire WHATSOEVER to actually see this fella in the Presidency, I would have literally voted for Charles Manson if he was the only other choice, that is how deeply my concerns about a Hillary presidency ran. I think he has far too many negatives associated with him (though sadly, they're personal, and have nothing to do with his actual policy positions) to run again in 2024, assuming he even lives that long, but if you guys run someone whose policies are to raise taxes as much as possible and destroy the 2nd Amendment, I may not have any choice than to vote for him if he does, or, as I did previously, vote 3rd party, which is in fact a waste of my vote and time to do so.

At any rate, I got on a bit of a roll here, so let me reiterate my original point... to compare the treatment of criminal illegal aliens by Trump and the treatment of Jews by Hitler is so wrong, so offensive, that you need to take a serious look at what it is you're ACTUALLY angry about. Because if you're actually angry about treating illegal aliens for what they are, then the problem lies with the person you see in the mirror. Such blaringly offensive and incorrect comparisons are what our culture should be "cancelling", not some actor who refuses to follow the commands of the "woke" (and rabid) hardcore left.

 

When our government is to the point of paying illegal immigrants for crossing the border, yes I fear violence is the only feasible outcome. We are simply too far apart in our beliefs.

Unfortunatley, I see a civil war sooner than later.

 

Ask the British.

 

And Hitler, and Tojo.

 

Oh. I see. You created this thread to try to show how ridiculous the other side is, while simultaneously ignoring that's its YOUR agenda, that you openly present here, that makes it clear that I don't want any part of your version of America.

 

I don't have an agenda, the poll is what it is. I didn't write the article or conduct the survey. Sorry if it hurts your delicate feelings, but it has nothing to do with me.

 

I'll stand with what I said before.

 

The military is just as divided politically as the rest. Its not a safe bet that they would turn those weapons of war on their own families at all.

 

This is your view. Mine is different, that difference is the I do not dismiss the left reporting as automatically false.
Not everything you disagree with is false. It is just possible that the ever growing body of video evidence showing officers shooting black men in the back, kneeling on them until they die is actually true and that an attitude towards black men has crept into the law authorities and then insidiously encouraged white men with certain views to join and those who don't have those views to leave.

Have you considered for one minute whether that might be true? Whether god forbid, the very people we admire and rely on for our liberty and safety have been corrupted?
You find such an idea plausible (even probable) in your government, yet you think it impossible in your police force.

 

Are you familiar with the year 1860, and the events that happened in the several years before and after it?

 

False statement. I NEVER said everything the left reports is false and I gave you SPECIFIC claims, not opinion or views.
You telling me the leftist media never stated Larry Elder is the Black face of White Supremacy
Biden never claimed Kyle Rittenhouse is a White Supremist
The left isn't pushing CRT in our schools
Their is no BLM
The leftist media never claimed the loss in Virginia was due to racist white people
Give me a break with your exaggerations.

Would that be the same black man who was being served a warrant for arrest, refused the commands of the officer and grabbed a knife?
Yeah, We all saw it. But all you saw was he was shot? Thats called being bias .
And because of the left promoting that fake claim, these Kenosha idiots now think they have a right to burn the city down.

And when a convicted Pedophile who is rioting and burning and a convicted Rapist who was rioting and burning get shot for attacking a 17 year old, you weep for the rioters and claim the shooter is the criminal.

Yeah, we are ALL seeing it.

Another fake claim you support. Your talking about the criminal who gladly held a gun on a pregnant woman who had several convictions for felonies, that downed a hand full of opioids to hide them like the idiot he is, then refuses to obey the commands of the police, that left him on the ground being restrained with a knee on his neck, The same restraining move used billions of times without incident for hundreds of years, who died from his own ignorance of downing those opioids? That guy. The same one who the left started with this false narrative that got hundreds of Americas killed in 8 months of riots that leftist Mayors REFUSED to allow their police to put down. While you weep for the criminal and criminalize ALL law enforcement officers as racist?

Yeah, we ALL saw it.

So when the left KNOWINGLY refuse to admit that all these confrontations start with refusing to obey commands and fighting with law enforcement, so they can claim this bias view of police attacking black people, so they can call law enforcement racist, it only shows their own racism, not that of our officers.

 

LOL

yeah, you're just the messenger. So should I just ignore posts you make like this:

Man up and defend your perspectives.

 

Inaccuracies and all.

 

On their own families? No. Someone else's? Likely.

 

Forgive me. If your claim was NOT that these statements were propaganda and untrue, then what was your claim. Why did you list them?

Take your pick. In order to shoot someone in the back they must be fleeing from you. I have watched several. In none of them was the officer or the public in immediate danger from the supposed felon. As far as I understand it shoplifting or even escaping arrest does not carry summary execution without trial.
Now one you might put down to misadventure but there are dozens and those only the ones where someone took video footage. At the very least I would be suspicious of so many incidents. Seems you are not.

And NOTE in contradiction of your own words you state "Fake claim" right here.

 

I'm not saying we do. Yet. But if we continue on the road we are on, that day is coming. If we continue asking more and more and more out of people to pay other people's bills, if we continue throwing around multi-trillion dollar bills that NOBODY knows what they contain as if it were nothing more significant than changing our underwear, if we continue to allow our country to be invaded, if this, if that, if the other... Yes, then that day might arrive. Different people have different lines in the sand about different issues, but when those lines end up having ALL been passed (and then some) for enough people, then yes, there will be blood. Hell, as others have pointed out, there already has been, except it's mostly been on the part of the "woke" left. It is those people, with their outright dangerous ideas about wealth redistribution, about open, unprotected borders and rewarding those who invade them with money taken from Citizens, about defunding and dismantling law enforcement, and neutering the military, about when the answer to the question of "when is enough enough?" is "Never", which it's rapidly approaching, ESPECIALLY if that BBB bill passes (which is itself, anti-American at it's very core), when we can't even breathe because government has become so oppressive, then yes.

But the way you spoke about the phrase, as if it were something that only a legit, certifiable evil nut would say much less do, regardless of the circumstances surrounding such a thing, is overly dismissive of those moments in human history when such things are both necessary and justified.

BTW, you will never find a bigger fan of the US Constitution than me. The problem(s) are we have not lived within anything that remotely resembles the Constitution than way before either of us was born. There's no Constitutional authority for most Federal agencies. The feds have no Constitutional authority to ban the drugs that they ban, and I offer prohibition as proof of that... At least THAT Congress recognized they didn't have the authority to ban booze, and got an Amendment giving them that authority. But no such authority exists for say weed, or cocaine, or heroin, or any of the hundreds of substances the government has assumed the authority to tell us we're not allowed to put into our own bodies. And the madness continues, despite it being so obvious that Stevie Wonder could see it that the "War" on Drugs isn't even working.

 

Of course. Yet another historical event where the use of violence was justified. Do you think that's the last time it will ever happen?

 

No one knows it better than you? Yet you claim Congress does not have the power to create federal agencies? I suggest you turn off voices like Mark Levin and read history from the experts. In essence, you are laying claim to an idea I see some libertarians using, that the current government itself is illegal constitutionally. That is complete hogwash and gibberish but yet I see folks like you parrot this nonsense with pride. Dude, you have no concept of our constitution or history given this post. Go back to college.

 

You can blame Trump for ruining the Republican party or coming close to it. Many of the Republicans are becoming part of a cult following that is led by of all people:Trump.

 

What part of this statement could possibly convince you I claimed these statements were propaganda and untrue?

Your continued attempts to falsify what I posted only means you obviously have no ability to dispute what I posted.

You are trying to convince me someone who has already refused to obey a lawful command to stop, already has a warrant for his arrest, that reaches in his vehicle for a knife, poses no threat to the officer?
You are only exposing your own ridiculous bias.

Any IDIOT who is under felony arrest, confronted by armed police officers, who refuses to obey commands to stop, who grabs for a knife, knowing he is confronting several armed officers, isn't shoplifting. He has become an armed assailant with intent to do bodily harm and gets to join the others who confront officers with weapons in the place we call the shallow end of the gene pool.

 

Thankfully, I gave up watching the news about 20 years ago. It's all negative and mostly stuff I can't do anything about so I don't need the stress. I know the exact date...it was when Susan Smith claimed that she was carjacked by a black man. I knew, in that instant, it wasn't true. Carjackers don't want baggage (babies/toddlers) and kidnappers don't need vehicles.

I believe we could learn to work out our differences if everybody turned off "the news". It's all an agenda just to divide us and, at the end of the day, we are all Americans and should remember we are named "The UNITED states".

 

Best post all day

 

Sorry I should be clear your not going to get the 3rd marines to deploy into America and then Start shooting civilians. Any order given like that would be ignored. In fact the officer who gave such an order might find himself starring down the barrel of a rifle from his own troops. More likely what would happen is those troops would confine themselves to base and simply prevent anyone from taking the war supplies there. At least for a time