A Chinese government spokesperson said the US committed 'evil crimes' against Native Americans....

I offered you a simple yet straightforward quiz. Answer the quiz so I can determine if you know what authoritarian and libertarian means.

 

So, you don't know what authoritarian and libertarian means.

 

So tell us, now I'm waiting.

 

Authoritarian doesn't allow dissent of personal ideology. Libertarian allows dissent of personal ideology. Authoritarian and libertarian are opposites.

Side note: Rather, it's high degrees of authoritarianism (and not being a righty, for example) which determines whether one is a fascist.

 

Fascism is nationalism on steroids. Note the name and its derivation from the Roman "fasces". Mussolini was very clear on this, emphasizing that the major characteristic of the form is that the individual must be completely submerged in service to the all-important State at all times. While fascism lends itself to authoritarianism very readily there are forms of Fascism which are/were a good deal less authoritarian than others such as those in Portugal, Latter day Franco's Spain and even the so -called "Friendly Fascism" of Reagan

 

Those seem acceptable definitions

Do you really think Trump was that tolerant of any dissent at all?

 

No. Fascism is authoritarianism on steroids.

Jeeze if fascism is nationalism on steroids, The Constitution would be fascist (which it isn't)....The Constitution is nationalism...Some libertarians might say The Constitution is nationalism on steroids.

 

Trump was tolerant of both sides of the Charlottesville rioters. The white supremacist fascists and the white-hater fascists.
Trump was tolerant of the Floyd riots. Trump was tolerant of Russia and China. Trump was tolerant of the dodos in the house and Senate during the fake Trump campaign investigation and the two fake Trump impeachments. Trump was tolerant of Fauci.

Don't let Trump's intolerance for, for example, the mainstream media cloud your judgement of Trump's intoleration of things he doesn't like. Trump has a problem with the MSM because the MSM are lapdogs of the politically elite (of which Trump isn't a member).

 

Trump repeatedly tried to pull the standing military into the Floyd riots. He was very "tolerant" of dictators everywhere, just like he was careful to tell the Nazis in Charlottesville they were "very fine people" He repeatedly refused (and is still refusing) legitimate subpoenas from Congress that he could easily answer in closed session if he was afraid of betraying confidentiality.

I don't call it "tolerance" if you simply refrain from arresting and imprisoning your political enemies, as he couldn't have done anyway.

 

We go round in circles, probably divided by definitions. The political issue is how much tax is taken and how it is used. Yes tax accrued from the activity of capitalism, or maybe money accrued from the existence of natural resources.
However once tax is collected, to me how it is used is a socialist concept. Using taxed money to support bereft and helpless children being one of the most fundamental features of socialism.

 

How is the Constitution overweeningly nationalistic? It is ESTABLISHING a nation, yes, but it goes out of its way to protect the individual vs the State, indeed, many argue that to be its major purpose.

You need to reread your Mussolini if you think he in any way wanted to protect the individual.

 

Would you mind clarifying this comment, please?

1. I didn't read all the posts in this thread. Did somebody suggest the US is "perfect"?

2. How are you defining the word "good"?

3. What do you believe has been "even handedness"?

 

How was Marx naive?

 

That has nothing to do with rounding up native American children till the 1970's to brainwash their ethnic heritage out of them, while slaving them around, not giving a damn how many died in that proces.

 

I am still waiting to prove this in the 1970's era.

 

What a joke. Comparing models to Parker. Shame on you.

All you have is fabrications and delusions.

 

More fabrications from you. As I said, start a thread on Canada.

The CCP is committing genocide TODAY! No matter how many attempts you make to deflect, that is the barbaric reality.

 

Have you?

The CCP is butt hurt over the US and other countries wanting to diplomatically boycott the Olympics. So, they come back with this ridiculous deflection. And you post in here like you are getting paid by each post.

You fail to acknowledge what Xi and other leaders in the CCP have said. You fail to acknowledge the genocide being committed TODAY in China.

 

I agree with everything you posted about Mussolini. Good strawman argument.

 

You mean like what was done to Nazis after WWII?

 

True the CCP is guilty -- but this does not change the fact that US actions against the Natives killed a whole lot of children in the past .. a fact of which you seem not to be able to deal with .. no idea why .. as past actions do not justify current atrocity.

Was strange China used this example - well perhaps not so strange -- China is very diplomatic .. using the most non nefarious example. China could have easily used a large number of recent examples of US genocide and atrocity - but they did not..

 

My source is about the US as well.

Such was the lot of thousands of Indigenous children in the heyday of the Indian boarding school era which stretched from the 1870s to the 1960s in the United States and Canada. In the United States, there was a similar, but much, much larger system of boarding schools operating under the label of “Indian Industrial Schools.” In these schools, the children performed heavy unpaid manual labor in the homes of white families called “outing programs” in the summer. At other times, they were engaged in performing manual labor at the schools. So where was the education?

etc etc

 

I don’t doubt appalling things are happening at the behest of the governing regime in China, however not doubting something is not clear incontrovertible proof.
In order that this does not become some kind of urban myth thread, that feeds on hearsay and becomes self regarding, can the critics post or link all the rock solid examples of appalling behaviour by the Chinese authorities, including provable facts, numbers and dates.
Such information guards against blind prejudice, and opinion simply fuelled by racism.

 

Forget the politics. Boarding schools were a failed version of a misguided approach to dealing with Native Americans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools

It's not necessary to "reach way back in history" to find "bad things about America." We're no different than other countries. Historians identify injustices committed by folks right across the political spectrum, so ideological finger-pointing invites endless whataboutism.

Too hard for whom? The evil being done to Uyghurs is recognized on the right and left.

They're no worse than rightwing extremists.

 

You can't abort a baby.