A Chinese government spokesperson said the US committed 'evil crimes' against Native Americans....

Completely unsurprising. Is what China is doing worse? They can do 'so's your old man' all day long:

 

The U.S. government had a continuous unwritten
policy of taking over occupied "Indian" land and
applying such policy via forced relocation and genocide too.

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That's amusing given that the colonization of the US and Canada did not result in the genocide of any aboriginal tribal groups, but prior to the arrival of colonists, and in the century following, tribal groups committed genocide against other tribal groups.

According to the Smithsonian, 12 tribes were exterminated from the face of the Earth by other tribes prior to the arrival of colonists, and 3 tribes exterminated another tribe after the arrival. That took place in northern California at the time the Spanish were colonizing central and southern California. There is no evidence any of the tribes involved had contact with the Spanish or even knew they were there.

The oral histories of some tribes indicate that an additional dozen or more tribes were wiped out by genocide, but to date, there's no physical evidence supporting the claims.

It's also likely that at least in one instance, the oral histories are referring to the same genocide. That's because the names of tribal groups were not uniform across tribal groups. In other words, a group of tribes refers to the people living in a certain area by one name, and another group of tribes calls the same people a different name, which creates confusion.

 

The Chinese Government is still killing and imprisoning the Uyghur's.

 

We did do horrible things to Indians. We should have done better. We did horrible things to Japanese Americans. We did horrible things to African Americans. Not a perfect country by any means.
When the Chinese chastise us it’s comical

 

They couldn't beat us with bows and arrows so now they are clobbering us with gaming tables at their casinos.

 

China does have a point regarding equivalence.
However it is an own goal, because citing the genocide of aboriginal North Americans by European settlers as a point of balance, is tantamount to acknowledging the genocide ordered by the Chinese authorities

 

many bad things happened in the past, we all strive to be better, China should do the same

 

It becomes rather silly to see this as some kind of race to see who did it worse. The fact is the US deliberately put ethnic children in concentration camps to ethnic cleanse the culture of it's native Americans, after they previously hunted them down like dogs, held death marges etc. till the 1970's.... without a care in the world. I don't think anybody in the US has ever been held accountable for it. I don't think anybody in the US has ever been compensated.

So the Americans are just out of line when others do this too.

 

Kids hunted down? Concentration camps? I saw that movie... it turned out that the Martians were behind it all until Rambo took them out in the big battle scene in space at the end.

 

Yup.... rounded up, and tossed in concentration camps to cleanse their heritage out of them and replace it with Christianity. Nobody cared that the mortality rate went through the roof in them camps. And it seems it's still a joke to you. White privilege much?



https://www.kqed.org/news/11883520/...f-native-american-boarding-schools-in-the-u-s

 

Well, I think you're taking this off on another long complicated (and highly debatable course), with that discussion.

First of all, by many measures the lives of those children was arguably better in those schools. Many natives lived a very harsh existence. Was it unreasonable to educate them? There are many arguments why it would have been impractical to be able to educate them had they remained with their parents, due to sparse population, and in many cases the parents living nomadic existences. Children are forced to go to school today, but it would have been wrong back then?
Mortality rates of many children were high back then, due to disease. Of course there are many reasons it would have been especially high with native children.

We have already extensively discussed this in several other threads, so I won't debate it further here.

So that the topic of this thread doesn't get derailed, let's try to stay on topic.
(But you're welcome to post a link so we can have this argument in another thread. The topic of this thread I think is about what China is saying, and any hypocrisy they have or might be trying to divert attention away from)

 

And you have not a damn criticism of China, it's obvious who you support.

The sins of America were more than a hundred years ago and China sits and commits genocide today and here you sit and criticize America.,

Take that b******* somewhere else

 

See these kids at a European school? They are there because the modern America wanted to educate
and civilize them. Yes, civilize. I am related to Cynthia Parker, the mother of the Commanche Quanah.
These Commanches were quite brutal people - killing millions of bison to buy weapons to create their
own empire. Sound familiar?
Cynthia was brought back to civilization but she wanted to run away to her Commanche people. That's
all very well, even touching. But her background was to be snatched away from her white parents and
raised as a Commanche - it's the same thing, isn't it? Cultures do this - they want to convert people and
raise children with their own values.
Why do many white Americans feel this is a disgusting thing today? Because they don't believe in their
culture anymore. But I can tell you, these indigenous people would prefer to live as modern Americans,
citizens of the modern world, than as natives who lived as poor, warfaring, subsistence peoples.

 

So the upshot is that Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing is OK .. cause this is part of converting people to Western Value's - Religion. I suppose The Mid-Evil Church thought like this "Covert or Die" and we will kill a bunch first to make examples for the rest .. and just because we like killing ..

Not my cup of Tea but -- each to their own I suppose. I do agree that immigrants should be "incentivized" to adopt certain values .. but not with genocide ..

 

Sure we're not perfect, perfection is the enemy of the good. America is good. U can see the evidence of the even handedness of the U.S. federal gov't today by just looking at all the place names on the map in the original native languages. Not so w/ say, the U.K., Germany, Japan,or even your sacred China.

 

You are welcome to your opinion that China is "Sacred" -- but this is not relevent to the fact that China's claim is correct .. Was a nasty time .. and like everyone else we did nasty things..

but, we don't do those things anymore in our own nation .. just in other nations .. so this is not a good argument your sacred Chinese are making.

 

All kinds of institutions like local churches to even governors have all expressed their regret about the kidnapping of Native Americans and forced them to be assimilated to comply with the ethnic white Christian culture in those concentration camps.... besides that the way they did it, caused those children to die at a high rate compared to other children. So it's just dumb to claim it was just an education and you really are out of line by justifying what went on. It really is directly on par with what the Chinese are doing now. China is making a direct reference to it in the OP and so it is the topic at hand. So deal with it.

All you show, by totally downplaying and justifying what the US did, is China has a real point that the America and Americans are hypocrites when commenting on what goes on in China.

 

I really think China is really helping along all this woke trash. They do own tick tock and that's Mega cancer. And it seems to be the place where this woke trash propagates now since tumblr has passed it's prime.

Let's not forget to bet or Hong Kong or Taiwan or the Muslim population in China.

No doubt the people on tiktok who care a lot will make a big deal about it.

 

Personal attack noted.

1968 isn't 100 years ago. And officially the US never held anybody accountable for what they did, and never reimbursed the victims for the damages they done. The federal government doesn't even know the extent of what they have done, since they never bothered to research it. As far as I know, there hasn't been a federal expression of regret in some way. So all of this combined ends up being that currently the US doesn't care that they did this, hence the hypocrisy is firmly in place when they have a massive problem when others do that. And China is pressing that finger on where it hurts, and there is nothing to dispute about it.

To put things in a grim perspective. Canada found 1500 corpses of children around just 7 of their concentration camps. The US had 100's and 100's of them. And until the US expresses it's tremendous regret on the genocidal campaign they unleased, and find some way to repay the victims,... it's remains so that the US and it's citizens are out of line when commenting it happens elsewhere.

 

Pfff. You can not object to China is kidnapping Muslims and make them comply with modern Chinese norms, when you support that this was done to native Americans to comply with modern American culture.


Let me keep on reminding you that it were the whites who indiscriminately kidnapped native American children of any kind of tribe and make them comply with Christianity by force in concentration camps. To portrait them all as "violent" out of 1 example, is just utterly racist. In fact, the whites brought the war to the lands of the Comanche's and not the other way around. It were the whites who were warfaring. You're just white washing their violent culture. That's the part you skip to wrongfully conclude why white Americans feel disgusted today. You wouldn't want your children to be kidnapped for the sake to get them to be peaceful rich Saudi Muslims, with a high change of getting killed in the proces, but you are accepting it for Native Americans. There literally is no difference.

 

No, not to 'justify' any ethnic group seizing and raising children from other cultures, but
to point out - it happens, and probably to all ethnic groups throughout history.
Just watched a video on Central American pre-Columbian practices - quite frightening
to be honest
Aztec Human Sacrifices - YouTube
Would you want to be a citizen in Central Mexico under Aztec imperial rule, or Spanish
imperial rule? Pluses and minuses on either side.
I don't think Europeans 'kidnapped' native children so much as they have the rule over
them and sought to raise them in European culture. Had the Aztecs broken through to
Southern USA they might have eaten these kids - we don't know.
White peope in America today 'feel disgusted' by many practices of white Americans in
the past - they gloss over two things:
1 - they are not disgusted by how native Americans behaved.
2 - they can't see how Victorian era people would view themselves in our violent, adulterous
and drug addled society.

 

Christianity has no part with genocide. Those who practiced it are in breach of Christianity.
That famous saying 'Kill them all and let God sort them out' was stated by a Catholic Cardinal
in his pursuit of heretics. That particular 'man' was also in breach, not only of Christianity but
Catholicism. To hate Christianty because of evil in Christian societies is curious - the people
who behave badly show they despise Christian values.
Central America ca 1500 for instance was under Aztec imperial rule, and the whole area was
in constant tribal warfare, cannibalism and human sacrifice. If you were to ask a native of 1600
what he thought he might prefer the new pan-Mexico, Catholic, Spanish system - don't know,
depends on what you like and who you are.

 

Not relevant.

It's a fact that they did, with a mortality rate that went through the roof.

Not relevant.

1) This happened in the late 1960's, and not during the era when native Americans were being attacked by greedy disgusting white farmers on an genocidal campaign.
2) It indeed also happened in the Victorian era, but still carried through till the end of the 1960's.

You're not responding to the idea that you undoubtingly would object if your children were kidnapped to be raised as peaceful financial successful Muslims in Saudi Arabia, with a high chance of getting killed in the process of that forced indoctrination. That's where the disgust comes from, because others do and do not wish that it was done to others.

 

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Christianity spent most of its life committing genocide .. is this following the teachings of Jesus -- no .. but Christianity does not follow Jesus ..

As Ghandi once said .. I like your Christ -- not so much your Christians..

You are conflating "following Christ" with Christianity .. as if they are one in the same .. and they are not..
You are conflating "Christian Dogma" as if they are one in the same with the teachings of Christ -- and they are not..

Christianity has a nasty history -- it is what it is... humorous that you talk about despising Christian values as if these are the values of Christ .. a preposterous falsehood ..