A Chinese government spokesperson said the US committed 'evil crimes' against Native Americans....

My apologies, it's the way I deal w/ controversies by recognizing which possibilities exist and which don't. If my manner is not convenient to your way of thinking, or if ur just being hard to get along w/, then we can drop it for now & get together again at a later time when we can both consult together as a team.

 

I disagree about the Indians. The schools were good things. Ask Jim Thorpe. But in any case, its all OBE. We fixed whatever wrongs are described here. The Chinese are persecuting the Uyghurs NOW... TODAY... So the comparison doesn't wash. Its like blaming modern day Italians for throwing Christians to the lions. Its OVER... DONE...

 

So you cite a Pukipedia article?

The Caribs were in the islands, not on the continent and they survived, so they weren't exterminated, because Puki says they were moved to Dominica.

That's a fail.

The Pequots were allied with Colonists fighting Indians allied with other Colonists and the Pequots are still alive.

That's another fail.

The Narrangansetts were enemies of the Wampanoag. The first official act of the Mayflower Pilgrims --before the Mayflower Compact was created -- was to enter into a treaty at the behest of the Wampanoag that was effectively a mutual defense treaty, since it said the Wampanoag would help the Pilgrims if the Narrangansett attacked them, and the Pilgrims would help the Wampanoag if they were attacked by the Narrangansett.

What we have there is a nothing-burger.

The Ottawa Reservation is in Oklahoma. Have you been there? Obviously not, so that's another fail.

I get that Liberals like you now equate all conflicts/wars with genocide even though that is a total perversion.

I was referring to real bona fide genocides where the whole entire purpose/premise of the conflict was to eradicate another group from the face of the Earth.

You haven't shown any evidence where Colonists actually did that.

 

The reason I pulled out your "Probably possible - that the US has done dirty deeds" . is because clearly you don't reecognize the massive volume which exists .. hence the comment "Your Kidding" as it is not "Probably Possible" .. it is defacto reality.

Would you like a list mate .. my contribution to the team

 

Aren't Pequots found in weedkillers and cause cancer?

 

According to wikipedia:
In 1978 Congress passed and the President signed the Indian Child Welfare Act, giving Native American parents the legal right to refuse their child's placement in a school. Damning evidence related to years of abuses of students in off-reservation boarding schools contributed to the enactment of the Indian Child Welfare Act. Congress approved this act after hearing testimony about life in Indian boarding schools.

So they didn't do that for the sake of gramps, but to safe the children from the horrors who were currently locked away in them without any kind of consent. And as for posting the link. When you can't be bothered what China is referring too, then I'm with you that I also can not be bothered to help you with it.

 

Does it look like I care about your alleged person story of tears, when your national government expressed it's deepest regret about the horrible treatment white people inflicted on the aboriginals? It seems you're not paying any attention about what that annual sorry day is about.

 

Your motives are on par with China vs their Uyghurs.

 

China is also re-educating those Uyghurs to become productive people.
So your motives are on par with China. Congrats.

 

There you go

You can say the same about the Chinese, that almost non of them have participated in what goes on with the Uyghurs. While the thing is that majority of Americans were represented when they voted in to cleanse out the cultural heritage of the Native Americans through free elections. It all happened in their name, and they either didn't care or agreed which is kind of really really bad. You can't say the same about the Chinese since they don't do free elections and are persecuted when they do not agree with their government.

 

If we're forming a consultative team our first task would have to be to define what it is we're discussing.

If we're determining whether I'm a bad guy then I'll just agree & we'll be done. If we're assessing the amount of bad things the U.S. has done then perhaps we can agree that there are a lot of things the U.S. has done that someone else didn't like. If we're discussing whether one of China's claims corresponds w/ reality then let's first site which claim we're talking about.

Agreed?

 

"NOT HEARING MUCH FROM FEMINISTS ON THIS": Uyghur women in China labor camps recall horror of rape, forced sterilization.

House Democrats Won’t Schedule Vote on Bill to Sanction Chinese Slave Labor.

Who all has China bought?

 

Also.
You're dumbly comparing your lawn mower who somebody, allegedly an aboriginal, took against the law.... with a child of an aboriginal who a white person took according to the law. So you're comparing a crappy object with a life, and against the law vs according to the law.

So it's obvious that you do not care about the lives of aboriginals at all in order to claim there is some so called black privilege going on. You really lost it.

 

Agreed ... cept we not just discussing what China has claimed .. but dirty deeds in General US vs China.

Dirty deed #1 - Arming Supporting Supplying Terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda/ISIS and resulting war crimes - crimes against humanity.

 

The purpose of the adoption policy was to help INTEGRATE aboriginals into modern society,
into modernity if you like, or Australiana if you like. Not having kids being abused, sniffing petrol,
chopping down their welfare homes etc.. My own cousin was one of these adopted children and
she is a property developer now - thinks like a modern person. Her now dead parents were dirt
poor and told her it's because 'we are aboriginal.'
I admire the generation of Australians who sought to do that. In the sixties a policy change came,
like it did with lots of other cultural and moral changes, that aborigines don't have to be like us.
There are places in Australia that have become unlivable thanks to this policy - Wilcania comes
to mind. And then there's the outback settlements where administrators, nuns, teachers, police
etc were all removed as part of a 'self determination' policy. The liberals never admitted that this
failed - they just moved onto 'land rights' and 'sorry day' and 'change Australia day' and 'change
the constitution' so on, so forth. Not - let's all be Australians, learn a trade, speak English, stop
aping the mistakes of America and Canada.

 

Sure, you can say that what settlers and some govts was on par with the Uyghurs.
But this is the thing - the world is supposed to be different.
I can't shoot and eat some aborigines and tell English, Scandinavian, Arabic and
Chinese people, 'Don't preach to me - you all did it too once.'

 

You sound like a Chinese civil servant justifying their gulag policies for the sake of cleanse out a culture by brute force.
Your kind of white privilege caused poor health, poor mental health like PTSD, anxiety problems, alcoholism, depression and suicide.
And the way you compare aboriginals with objects, is all telling to twist that into black privilege.
Really... wow.

 

That is what China indeed is saying, and you still agree with them backward 1930's white privilege norms.... where others do not.
That's where others get to preach and you do not.

 

Sure, there's white privelege
and black privelege
and these days, Chinese privelege on the world stage
we all want privelege

only in Australia there's only one priveleged group - aborigines.
I ought to know, I am part aborigine myself. My brothers make
a big deal out of it. For years I carried one of those aboriginal
and Torres Strait Island cards, just to show I had privileges -
didn't use it once, but kept it as a curiosity.

 

No, the pre-sixties generation believed two things about aborigines
1 - they were a stone age people
2 - we must help them to one day be like us (meaning the melting pot of Australia)

now it's
they are the first people* who have been dispossessed from their land and culture and
deserve special treatment to ensure they keep their identity.

* aborigines are not the first people - those were killed off by aboriginal colonists, but
to speak the truth means you are a 'racist' - a catchall phrase to shut down debate and
give the accuser a sense of their virtue.

This is also the tragedy of Africa - there's 3500 ethnic groups and 5,000 languages.
Western race ideology of 'self determination, and 'ethnic identity' and 'independence' is
driving apart these groups and ensuring Africa remains at war and splintered forever
(think of places like Nigeria and Ethopia.)

 

Asked this woman at a Yosemite bus stop, 'Why are there no African Americans in the park'
She gave me her academic credentials, I knew what was coming...
'The reason is racism'
She said blacks can't afford to visit Yosemite. 'But it's free - there's just a $20 surcharge on
the road per car to pay for repairs after a rock fall.' I replied.
'Yes but African Americans can't afford that' she lied.
'But I saw many of them at Universal Studios, and it's $80 per head admittance'
She changed the subject, ranting about the Sierra Club.
This woman was both racist and intellectually dishonest.
This makes race issues not only worse, but unsolvable.

 

That is coming from a person who compares children from aboriginals with objects.

 

The road to hell is paved with good intention.
And the way the whites "helped" those people is simply abysmal.
That program ended, because even whites saw how utterly retarded they were.
While you simply are still in denial with your comparison of aboriginal children vs objects.

Totally not related to the topic.

 

I do not care about your alleged personal experiences.
It does strike me, that you frequently -out of nowhere- just cough up a racist irrelevant anecdote.

 

So who do YOU think was 'racist' in the Yosemite example, me or the academic?