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I am not saying that it doesn't play any roll. The entire idea that taking vitamines and being healthy is this protective shield against being infected with either covid or aids... is just unfounded.

 

Your pull quote is part of the hypothesizing of the study, not the results. The word may does not appear in any of the results or discussion except to suggest further studies based on findings already made in the study.

Thank you for calling me a liar. That always signals that you have no actual evidence or intellectual argument. Quoting a hypothesizing statement snd trying to pass it off as results of a study I post is not a good look when discussing science but I guess that’s all you have. To conclude, when you made these claims you had NO evidence to support them.

The only thing you can do is move goal posts and deny peer reviewed science. Thanks for demonstrating your lack of knowledge and your inability to accept empirical evidence. As always, you are welcome to provide evidence your claims are true instead of calling other posters liars for presenting peer reviewed studies to support their positions. But you won’t, because there is NO evidence to support your position.

 

Oh is it? lol. Your source reads:
Various findings have demonstrated that vitamin D deficiency may influence HIV pathogenesis via negative modulation of innate and adaptive immune responses, as highlighted here.

The results are the findings.
The findings are "may this"... or may be nots.

You're welcome

When the findings are may this, maybe nots.... it is what it is.
I'm not impressed.

 

Not unfounded. A fact based on many peer reviewed studies. Here are a few examples of healthy choices decreasing Covid infection rates.

Sleep.

https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2021/03/03/bmjnph-2021-000228

Exercise.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-104203

Diet:

https://gut.bmj.com/content/70/11/2096

Now, would you like to provide anything besides unsubstantiated opinion to support your post?

 

Your pull quote is not findings from the study I linked to.

 

It's not saying you get to be immune by a longshot.

 

I've been given a link. And I quote -not out of context- that it's full with may this may that. So much for claiming any kind of certainty. Go cry me a river that you've put up a dumb link without a quote.

 

Oh, really? Immunity is the only protection we have from infection. In this case mostly innate immunity. You have now made the tacit claim Covid vaccines don’t provide immunity. LOL

 

Your quote is from an article I linked to, not a study. I’ve since provided 3 actual studies showing protection from infection by Vitamin D and the mechanisms by which it occurs. You moved the goal posts and I kicked 3 through the uprights at your new position. Now you want to go back to the old position and call me a liar.

You STILL haven’t provided ANY evidence for your claims. All tears are PF tears of laughter at your continued failure to provide evidence to back your incorrect opinions.

 

We were discussing vitamin D, not the covid vaccine.

 

you gave no more links. The link I saw, was about may this, may that.

 

You have claimed no vaccine provides immunity, Covid vaccines included.

 

I’ve provided numerous links since that link. Three peer reviewed studies among them. You only see what you wish to see.

 

See my previous answer. And regarding covid, the current vaccine gave immunity to a high % of the population against covid before it mutated to delta / omicron.

 

what post?

 

When you claim this about diet and exercise not providing immunity you are tacitly claiming vaccines don’t provide immunity either.

Healthy lifestyle results in a strong well regulated innate immune system capable of preventing infection. Vaccination results in strong adaptive immunity capable of preventing infection. Both arms of the immune system, innate and adaptive, can protect you from infection. You can’t claim one exists and the other doesn’t.

 

I'm not tactically claiming that at all. A vaccine has nothing to do with exercise. There is absolutely no link. While the vaccine against the non mutated covid virus made a fast amount of the population immune.
https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00915-3
A total of 58 studies (32 studies for vaccine effectiveness and 26 studies for vaccine safety) were included. A single dose of vaccines was 41% (95% CI: 28–54%) effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections, 52% (31–73%) for symptomatic COVID-19, 66% (50–81%) for hospitalization, 45% (42–49%) for Intensive Care Unit (ICU) admissions, and 53% (15–91%) for COVID-19-related death; and two doses were 85% (81–89%) effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections, 97% (97–98%) for symptomatic COVID-19, 93% (89–96%) for hospitalization, 96% (93–98%) for ICU admissions, and 95% (92–98%) effective for COVID-19-related death, respectively. The pooled VE was 85% (80–91%) for the prevention of Alpha variant of SARS-CoV-2 infections, 75% (71–79%) for the Beta variant, 54% (35–74%) for the Gamma variant, and 74% (62–85%) for the Delta variant. The overall pooled incidence rate was 1.5% (1.4–1.6%) for adverse events, 0.4 (0.2–0.5) per 10 000 for severe adverse events, and 0.1 (0.1–0.2) per 10 000 for death after vaccination.

I only saw a source saying that vitamin D may work when you already have Aids. Kind of it.

 

There are studies that look at things after the fact, you know, ethical studies. Here is one that shows vitamin D levels associated with decreased incidence of infection in highly exposed individuals.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0082717

And, lo and behold, such vitroassays have confirmed these findings.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2021.535352/full

So one study shows prevention of infection, but can’t conclude causation without in vitro study. Then the in vitro study is done to confirm HBD-2 resulting from adequate Vit. D is preventing infection of macrophages.

This is exactly how we conclude Covid vaccines prevent infections. We do studies that show decreased infection rates in vaccinated study groups compared to controls. Then we do immunogenicity and in vitro studies that determine the physiological mechanisms that are at play. For Covid vaccines the physiological mechanism for prevention of infection is mostly neutralizing antibodies.

There has also been quantitative evidence produced on the effect of vitamin D on exposed infant infection rates.

So we can see not only does Vitamin D prevent infections, it does so through multiple physiological mechanisms.

 

So you accept peer reviewed data showing Covid vaccines prevent infection but you reject studies showing diet and exercise prevent infection? Interesting. I’ve provided studies showing diet and exercise prevent Covid infection. You reject them. I have never rejected studies showing vaccine efficacy. I accept both vaccines and health prevent infection. I accept ALL science. You reject all science but that concerning vaccines.

And tacitly and tactically are two very different things.

 

here we go again....
Vitamin D (VitD) is an endogenous immunomodulator that could protect from HIV-1 infection reducing immune activation and inducing the expression of anti-HIV-1 peptides.

So all in all, this is about that the infection could be reduced... but not prevented as a whole.
This really is just the same as the source I previously commented on.

as for your...
Overall these results suggest that VitD and VDR could influence the resistant phenotype exhibited by this highly HIV-1 sexually exposed but seronegative Colombian cohort; the most likely VitD-induced mechanisms involved in avoiding the establishment of HIV-1 infection would be the up-regulation of the anti-inflammatory IL-10, and/or the induction of the antimicrobial peptides HBD-2 and HBD-3 with anti-HIV-1 activity. Considering that the cytokine profile in HESNs’ PBMCs is different from the one in mucosa, a compartmentalization effect could be taking place. Since the cross-sectional design of our study limits causal conclusions, these findings need to be confirmed by in vitroassays.

So there is an influence, but no prevention.
it's the same again and again.

You quoted:
Taken together, our results provide evidence that hBD2 has the ability to suppress HIV-1 infection of primary macrophages in vitro.

It says suppressing... not preventing.

In your dreams! lol
The Pfizer vaccine flat out said exactly how many out of a random 100 people would be immune.

 

Your sources do not claim the infection is prevented at all with vitamin D.... just suppressed and a reduced influence. While my source is exceptionally clear how many are prevented to getting it, how many get infected but not sick, and how many get sick and to what degree. It's exceptionally precise. You got no such numbers at all.

 

Did you read the conclusions of your link?

LOL! Vaccines only “could” be effective? They “could” effectively prevent infection? Well, guess you better find a different study. Your OWN link says vaccines “could” be effective. LOL

 

LOL, your meta analysis on Covid vaccines concluded infection “could” be prevented. You clearly have no idea how to read a study. I also included relative risk ratios from the study on pregnant women and children.

I guess since your meta analysis uses the word “could” Covid vaccines don’t prevent infection or protect from viruses. LOL

 

I'm old and fat with a bad ticker. I'm tired of all this COVID BS. I'm grabbing a six pack and heading for the beach!

 

I’ll die to protect your right to all the above!