The Mainstream Media Is Losing The Fight Of Its Life...All Thanks To Joe Rogan

Refreshing attitude.

 

Indeed. It could prevent infections, since it doesn't work in ALL cases. The number of success is given, and is sky high. I've heard that it doesn't prevent infections with people who are already heavy medicated, like those who get chemo. While YOUR link isn't specific at all and nowhere does is say it how many people got immune from AIDS by taking vitamin D. The difference is staggering.

 

You're not responding where I point out that your other links claim it's just reducing infection / influencing the infection / suppress an infection... which is absolutely nothing anywhere giving the impression you could become immune.

 

So what percentage of infections must be prevented for a vaccine or other mitigation to “count” as providing immunity. Give us a solid number.

 

If it isn’t immunity preventing or suppressing infection what is it? Do you know of some other mechanism in the human body that prevents or suppresses infection besides the immune system? Please describe it in detail or provide some evidence something besides the immune system prevents or suppresses infections.

Also, please provide your definition of “immune” or “immunity”.

 

Why ask me? I'm no expert. While the fact is that you haven't sourced any %.

 

it's just reducing infection / influencing the infection / suppress an infection... which is absolutely nothing anywhere giving the impression you could become immune.

Uh no. You claimed something, but you failed to prove it.

Buy your own dictionary.

 

Yes I did. Twice. I posted relative risks from the study of infants and children. I’m tired of your opinions. You need to pick a number. If you don’t know, post a study or expert opinion. You have claimed Covid vaccines “could” prevent infection based on 80-90% reduction in infection. But you reject Vitamin D showing about a 50% reduction in infection in babies. Is the cutoff somewhere between 50% and 80%? Now that two Covid shots are only 20% effective at preventing infection with Omicron, do Covid vaccines now not provide immunity? Here is a big study from Qatar showing only 20% prevention of infection 5 months after full vaccination. Does this mean Covid vaccines don’t provide immunity or prevent infections?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114

 

What exactly do Covid vaccines do if they aren’t reducing infection/influencing infection/suppressing infection? Go ahead. Tell us.

Not my claims. I’m just posting peer reviewed studies. You deny science. You have claimed the studies I’ve provided showing highly exposed individuals remained HIV free (uninfected) do not demonstrate immunity. If it isn’t immunity preventing infection what is it? Magical unicorns?

Sure, I’ll educate you.


Do you see anything there about absolute numbers of infections prevented? Anything about percentages of infections prevented?

I’ve provided you evidence Vitamin D has the power to keep people from being affected by HIV. Vitamin D is essential to immune function. Not my opinion. Fact based on a multitude of studies.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-coronavirus#effect-on-immune-health

 

I don't. I would always be skeptical. But I do trust Rogan believes what he says and is honestly searching for truth rather than pushing agenda, moreso than I trust the MSM on that.

 

Joe is no different than the MSM they are all out to make a hefty profit.

 

Joe has convinced myself and many others that he is more genuine. That isn't a high bar, and it says more about the MSM than it does about Joe.

 

I do hope that this idea is true......

If a reporter and journalist will tell the truth in a way that benefits the people then they are definitely different from highly paid people who lie and make life worse for others.... as I believe that Dr. Tony Fauci has done... and most reporters in BigMedia backed him up in his intellectual dishonesty.

 

I posted: two doses were 85% (81–89%) effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections
Reduction, as in reducing is like... I'm driving at 100 miles an hour, and then I reduced the speed to 60 miles. I'm still driving.
Prevention, as in preventing is like.... I've been prevented to be able to drive. I'm not driving at all.

Reducing =/= preventing.

Your sources about vitamin D mention reducing, not preventing. You don't get immune unlike Pfizer.

 

I sourced what it does. It prevented people being infected with a sky high % against the original variant.

I don't deny it. I deny your interpretation.

I didn't ask for this, you did. And so now you educated yourself. Bravo.

You source something that mentions: respiratory diseases, including tuberculosis, asthma, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), as well as viral and bacterial respiratory infections.

But it doesn't mention HIV / Aids.
We were discussing how allegedly vitamin D prevents you from being infected by Aids.

 

Yes. My studies showed exposed individuals that WERE NOT INFECTED AT ALL=NOT DRIVING AT ALL.

If an exposed individual is not infected, something PREVENTED infection. This can happen by way of the innate immune system stimulated and supported by Vitamin D, exercise and proper diet or by way of the adaptive immune system stimulated by vaccination.

 

Sky high? 20% is sky high? Remember we aren’t concerned with one variant. And the current Covid vaccines are only around 20% effective at preventing infection with original variants 5 months after vaccination.

Prevention of infection is prevention of infection whether we use scientific terms like “sky high” or not.

I’ve not interpreted anything. I’ve shown your claims are false by providing peer reviewed studies that have conclusions contrary to your unsubstantiated opinion.

I knew the definition. You seemed to think the definition had something to do with “sky high” or something. In fact it has NOTHING to do with percentages.

Our immune systems are effective to some extent in prevention of infection from ALL viral pathogens. HIV, Covid, Influenza, Ebola, etc. That was the point of the last link. HIV isn’t some magical virus from Mars. The immune system (if healthy from adequate Vitamin D, adequate sleep, good nutrition, etc.) can and does prevent infection from ALL viruses. Never 100%. Never 0%. This is based on centuries of science. Not my opinion.

Here again are YOUR claims.

All three of your claims I’ve responded to are false and in direct denial of science. You have presented NO evidence to support them. I have presented peer reviewed studies in support of all my claims and peer reviewed studies that refute your claims.

Please provide some supporting evidence for the three claims you’ve made I quoted above.

 

I quoted your sources saying vit D is infection reducing, that it has an influence, suppresses the infection.
It doesn't say it prevented people getting infected.

 

You also failed to quote parts of my sources saying exposed individuals remained uninfected. You can selectively edit studies if you wish. It doesn’t change reality. Just makes you a denier.

 

I sourced the vaccine made "85% (81–89%)" immune. And you're not responding to that succes, but sort of ripping on science that they couldn't look over a year into the future. I find it pathetic argument.

I quoted your sources saying vit D is infection reducing, that it has an influence, suppresses the infection.
It doesn't say it prevented people getting infected.

You asked me because you didn't know it.

I quoted your sources saying vit D is infection reducing, that it has an influence, suppresses the infection.
It doesn't say it prevented people getting infected.

 

They are your sources. You quoted plenty of it, but not that. It's on you. As far as I know, it's not there.

 

Ripping on science? I’m doing nothing but posting actual science. Your study was great—many months ago. Now we know Covid vaccines are nowhere near that effective at preventing infection. It’s a shame Covid vaccines aren’t providing longer protection against infection, but posting the truth is not ripping on science. Thankfully they are very good at preventing hospitalizations and deaths even when breakthrough infections occur. The FACT current Covid vaccines don’t provide long term high rates of infection prevention isn’t an argument against vaccination. It’s just—a fact.

The fact Vitamin D, healthy diet, and exercise combined is about as effective at preventing infection and severe disease from Covid is not an argument against vaccination either. It’s just—a fact.

Both vaccination AND vitamins and other healthy practices should be used to fight Covid. Bashing EITHER is denial of science. That’s the difference between you and I. I accept ALL science and you only accept some. Ignoring/denying health practices that prevent infections, poor outcomes and death from Covid and all other viral diseases is unethical and needs to stop. Telling people their lifestyle choices don’t prevent infections and poor outcomes is as wrong as telling people vaccines don’t prevent infections and poor outcomes.

Yes, you posted early trial data from Covid vaccine trials. What do you want me to say? I’m on record all over PF telling people Covid vaccines PREVENT INFECTIONS. I’ve spent hours on PF correcting misinformation from people who don’t believe they do. There isn’t anything else to say on the matter. Unfortunately after a couple months Covid vaccines aren’t as good at preventing infections as we would like. There is no “ripping on science” when I state that fact.

What I find pathetic is people’s inability to discuss facts and how they get all emotional because a vaccine didn’t turn out as good as we had hoped.

Here is a quote from a study I’ve presented that does show people were prevented from being infected. The study was of people who had sex with HIV positive individuals but did not become infected.

Again, if you are banging a person with AIDS and you don’t become HIV positive, infection has been prevented—period.

So if I didn’t know it, why didn’t I ask for “the” definition of immunity instead of “your” definition? I’m trying to get you to understand “immunity” is not what you think it is.

Yes it does. One study was of people having sex with AIDS patients and not becoming infected.

 

I’ve supplied the quotes numerous times. You don’t read them and then quote back portions of my links that are out of context.

 

I have reacted to your quotes, and it didn't say what you claim now.
And I add, you flip flopped on accusing me that I "failed" to quote it from your source, to now claiming I didn't respond to when you did.

 

You're only able to deny you're not ripping on science, by not responding to the FACT the virus mutated.

You proved crap about that vitamin D. While statistically,... regarding who gets covid and ends up in hospitals, the unvaxxed people are punching far above their weight.

That's not early trial data. You're denying science how wel the vaccine works on the original variant.

You're quoting a part of an experiment where they gave vitD to people a couple of groups.
group a) HIV-1-exposed but seronegative (HESN) individuals
group b) 43 HIV-1 seropositives (SPs)
group c) 59 non-exposed healthy controls (HCs)

And then see how vit D reacts to HIV.
This NOT a study how vit D would prevent anybody from getting HIV.
If you don't get this, it means this topic is beyond your ability to understand the subject.