Unsigned Trump order told Pentagon to seize voting machines

Prostesters routinely arrested, tortured, raped & sometimes killed; extrajudicial mass executions; women handcuffed to beds to give birth before being murdered; religious authorities helping out the security apparatus; people threatened for merely criticizing the political right; no free speech; no democracy.

Yep, I can see why US right wingers would be keen on that.

 

If Trump was waving a signed copy of the document and boasting about it half of them would claim it was 'just a joke', the other half would praise him. We all know they will never accept that he seriously considered overthrowing the election result or if they do they will rationalize it.

 

This document alone convicts Trump of insurrection. It's a prima facie case, it merits an indictment and a conviction unless it's explained as legal.

When he's convicted I want to be the first to make an appeal for mercy. He's an old man and there's no good reason to rob him of his sunset years but he MUST be convicted, so that Constitutionally he can never hold governmental office in the USA ever again. If he even runs in 2024 he will try to repeat this coup when he loses and he will be much better prepared since he's had a dry run. He won't win, because the Armed Forces won't go along but it will damage us, perhaps irrevocably

 

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Given what is known about Trump, it is reasonable to assume he liked the idea, if he didn't ask someone to draft it for him.

 

We're not in a court of law, but in the court of public opinion, given what is known about Trump, it's reasonable to assume he liked the idea.

That is what is problematic.

 

That's because many think Trump won and him being in office is the correct election result. It would be overturning fraud. Not overturning an election result

 

I'm a tad meaner than you. I'd favor hard labor for this guy.

 

Liked the idea of protecting our election from foreign threats?

 

Using mass delusion as an excuse to dsipense with democracy is not original, but that doesn't make it excusable. You should know by now that despite a literal blizzard of claims & allegations, no fraud anywhere near the scale required to change the election result occured.

Either you understand that and are fine with dispensing with inconvenient election results or you are still gripped by a delusion that makes you think any result you don't like is fraud and justifies something that looks an awful lot like a coup. Neither makes you particularly credible on this topic.

 

That he didn't have a chance to right away and so forgot about it. Maybe he thought he already had and was planning on hanging everybody right after a joyful nation acclaimed him the Victor.

 

Like the idea of ordering the military to seize voting machines, which would be illegal.

 

I believe that regardless of the outcome of the 2024 election, Biden will have won.

If he loses, it will clearly be the result of fraud.

It will be imperative to send the army to seize the voting machines and suspend the process of transfer of power by presidential decree.

Do you agree?

 

Are you two unaware that when you draft a document for someone to sign, you write it from their perspective as the affiant?

Its also good form to come with an order that says what you want the person you're petitioning to do. A lawyer brings an order to a court hearing, so all the judge has to do is sign if they decide for you.
This seems like something drafted by an aide to put forward a plan of action they wanted. If it wasn't signed, it wasn't acted on. Its unclear if it was even presented to the president himself, and not shot down in the post drafting stage which would go through advisors.

 

We thank you for the clarifications, but you are wrong.

Trump dictated this letter.

And that's why he went all the way to the Supreme Court to prevent the 1/6 Commission from getting its hands on it.

 

Proof that he personally dictated this letter is where?

 

There is no such thing as an unsigned presidential order.

 

Thanks, read it -

It’s not clear who wrote either document. But the draft executive order is dated Dec. 16, 2020, and is consistent with proposals that lawyer Sidney Powell made to the then-president. On Dec. 18, 2020, Powell, former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, former Trump administration lawyer Emily Newman, and former Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne met with Trump in the Oval Office.

In that meeting, Powell urged Trump to seize voting machines and to appoint her as a special counsel to investigate the election, according to Axios.

So who wrote up Powell's suggestions and why wasn't it signed?

 

I think the Democrats have fallen for more propaganda. Nothingburger 3 on the horizon. You would have thought they would have learnt from the first 2 fiascos. Dumber than a box of rocks.

I wonder if Trump keeps objecting because he knows it'll just work the Democrats up into a frenzy to obtain stuff that fuel their nothingburgers, and the world with the Republicans look at the Democrats and say, "What a bunch of crazy ******* *******".

 

And the people that actually think this way are wrong. Still doesn't make it legal, but you're attempt to defend this traitorous act is adorable.

 

And just as I predicted, not one Trump supporter came in here and criticized Trump for allowing this EO to even be written. Not one. Instead they give every reason why the document is fake news, or not wrong, or somebody else wrote it without Trump knowing about it, or the last one, Trump had Powell write it up and send to the archives simply to troll the Libs.

Trump supporters will defend him no matter what.

 

I disagree, I think the Democrats are still functional. Biden will recover and may be one of our better Presidents. He may, in fact, be Great. Look at how he has dealt with Covid and the vaccine. No fuss, no bullshit. Everybody who wants it can have it free. I can't recall when anything we have has gone that smoothly.

The Trumpublicans are moribund, they won't recover for decades, if ever. Their "win" in 2016 was the worst thing that could ever happen to them.

There is no such thing as a viable third Party; not within a Congressional system. It works within Parliamentary systems but they are too unstable for a very large Federal system like ours. The two party system is a major cause of America's strength and that is because it is a fundamental political structure particularly suited to us.

 

Bullshit. He writes decrees which are formal laws. He wrote this, no question and he was going to sign it but probably just forgot. He may have thought he had. Why else would he send it to the Archives?

 

Well, if you believe another Trump loving poster here, she/he claimed he sent it to the archives to troll the libs.

Yes, I am not making that up. This poster legit said that. LOL

 

I’m with you up to the last paragraph. I think a third party would act as a moderating force, and would require compromise in one direction or another. Possibly in both directions, on various bills.

But I also think the two parties are too strong to let that happen.