Unsigned Trump order told Pentagon to seize voting machines

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    It is precisely because his act would have been unconstitutional that Trump was prevented from implementing martial law.
     
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    So in other words he didn't commit a crime because it would have been illegal? Why is everyone crying then?
     
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    Presidential staff draft EOs with and without the presidents knowledge every day. Some are PR associated and some are administration related and some are requested drafts by the president. They are usually reviewed by the president and if he favors it, might make his corrections and redrafted. Or he might say he doesn't want to explore those options. Thats what a staff of hundreds do for the president including writing his speeches.

    Now, out of nowhere, anything drafted for conversation or acceptance is automatically a crime? They were drafts of options given the current situation they believed needed immediate attention that was either never considered or just flat turned down.

    You're grasping at air. You don't know ANYTHING. You don't know who drafted it, you don't know who read it, but you do know it was never signed or implemented. Now you claim if they drafted an EO asking the president to use AF one for a Bahama vacation, and he says no, thats not a good idea, they have all committed crimes?
    Please


    The existence of the first of those memoranda is publicly known, but the existence of the second has not been previously reported. NSPM 13 governs the Pentagon’s offensive cyber operations. According to a person with knowledge of the memoranda, 21 makes small adjustments to 13, and the two documents are viewed within the executive branch as a pair.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572
     
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    MAGArs would have LOVED it if this executive order was signed and implemented!!!

    they feel the election was a coup, and the military should have been used to reverse the coup.
     
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    How does wanting to investigate voting machines equate to Banana-Republic Dictator behavior? That's a leap Carl Lewis couldn't make.
    I also don't understand the relevance of this in January of 2022.
     
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    Anything else you want to just make up to add to the nonsense?
    Sorry, just because you think you know what Trump was thinking, it doesn't mean its true.
     
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    Because a POTUS is supposed to be a protector of democracy and the Constitution.

    Not a guy who tries to become an autocrat by any means.

    But I understand that these are probably concepts that escape you.
     
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    If he was trying to be an autocrat by any means then why didn't he sign it?
     
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    Discussing bringing in the military to reverse the results of an election - that’s on a path to a coup.
    There’s no other way to spin it.

    It’s important that the country knows how close it came to going down that path. This could be the result of a rogue staffer drafting something that dirty donny never authorized and never heard about. Or it could be something that was discussed extensively and seriously considered at the highest levels.

    The country deserves to know.
     
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    cuz he was told he would be arrested on the spot, or impeached, or removed via the 25th amendment, if he tried such a Fascist tactic
     
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    Source?
     
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    Ulmm...Pelosi was simply asking about protocol that is already hatched out. Is seizing machines part of election protocol? An executive order is a sign of intention. I know you have a habit of reading headlines and not articles, but take thr time to read passed the headlines to get the full story.
     
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    Sorry, That isn't what the report details. Thats what you and your media version claims what the report details.

    Trump “directly and repeatedly” asked senior DOJ staff on at least nine occasions to help overturn the election, including by telling them to open investigations, file lawsuits.

    So they don't have any request by Trump they can cite asking the DOJ to help him overturn the election.
    So they decided since Trump asked them to investigate it, that is the same as asking for help to overturn the election.

    The fake outrage over fake claims to include the fake wordsmithing hasn't changed in over 5 years.


    Nonsense

    Its no wonder why the left fawned all over Trump for decades until he ran as a Republican.
    Go figure

    That must be some horrific world you live in as everyone that disputes your post are MAGAs.
    Is there a MAGA in the room with you right now?
     
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    Well you have displayed all the key DNC elements here , Propaganda, hypocrisy and solid facts! This will not be received well with those ByDumb DNC true believers :(

    But I enjoyed it all the same, thx!
     
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    Theres a protocol for his military advisor (who isn't even in the loop of launching nuclear weapons) to stop a president from launching nuclear weapons?
    When did that magically appear. Never heard of it. Neither have you.
    Anything else you want to make up while you're here?

    Did someone seize voting machines we all aren't aware of?
    Still making up fake claims

    Intention of whom? Now you claim to know who drafted it? Now (again) magically, every EO is drafted by the president?
    Do tell, we are all ears. Or were just grasping at air?

    There were drafts provided to JFK about his nuclear response to Russia. So now he had every intention of launching a nuclear strike?
    You imagination has been running away with you.

    Says the guy who thinks EOs are all proof on intent on the part of the president and Pelosi asking Trumps military aid if he can stop Trump from launching nuclear weapons is protocol.
    I guess you thought Pelosi must be the dumbest idiot alive not to know US nuclear protocols while hold a position thats 3rd in line to take over as president.
     
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    lol.... you got nothing. I have video of January 6 of Trump calling for "peaceful protests".

    Now I also have the FBI refusing to say if Ray Epps is in their employ under oath. They won't answer the question.
     
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    They are experts in word and information twisting.
     
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    Yes... yes... the most heavily armed citizenry showed up to "take over the government" with zero guns. You're hilarious in our fear and outrage.

    You lost... you just don't know it yet. Don't worry, like Trump Russia collusion, you will soon see that you bought another Leftist Conspiracy Theory, but will it register with you?
     
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    Pro's, and taught by the best, MSNBCNN ;)
     
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    I don't see any need to go prove what law has been broken. That is for the lawyers to decide. Treason comes to mind though.
    I mostly see a need for Donald owning up what happened when he was in charge and so when he was responsible... for that document.
    I want to know why it was made. I want to know whose idea was it to make it. Why was that document still around ready to be signed? Who had access to it? I want to know if Donald saw it. I want to know what happened to all those people involved in it. And since Donald is very keen on keeping that deep state secret, he just needs to be locked up for it.

    Lock him up.
     
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    There were guns, both present and kept nearby. Trump lost and his followers just can't accept it yet, hence why they resort to terrorism.
     
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    You have a source for that? Or was it something a little birdie said?
     
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    Making up claims about it is more deadly to democracy than the EO itself. Noting there is NOTHING in that EO that ask ANYONE including the military to reverse ANYTHING. So the left just made that up to try and use hyperbole and exaggerations to their already fake story.
    You see, thats how you can tell.
    It ask to investigate the data. Nowhere does it claim any decision has been reached. In fact, it even ask for the proper authorities to take possession of the data and to verify the results.
    But according to you, its magically an order for the military to reverse the election.

    Then of course, his decision not to go down that path, doesn't mean much either.
    Yeah, we know how it works
     
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    What you have against Magars?
    Magars - Wikipedia
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    Ordering the US military to seize the voting machines would be an act of treason.
     

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