Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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    Bayraktar TB2.
    Ukrainians used those drones to destroy a lot of Russian armored equipment already. They had 6, ordered 48 more. I do not know how many exactly arrived, but could be 5, could be all 48.
     
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    To date the Russians have destroyed over 1500 military installations in Ukraine. So tell me where will those weapons be sent if there is no base to receive them?
     
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    One would think that with all the money we throw at the CIA/DIA/WXYZ they could manage to smuggle enough effective weapons in to deal with this oddball invasion.
     
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    These will be much more useful and effective than the fake "token" fighter jets the EU was going to send to nowhere. Drones don't exactly demand an airfield either, much more versatile.
     
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    They do not need a base. They just need people to distribute them and to use them. The USG should offer a large consulting fee to the drug cartel bosses for advice on ways and means.
     
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    Turkish drones are very good and effective. They played a decisive role in the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia last year.
     
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    Also Kherson in the south is confirmed captured by Russia (This one is big because it is river crossing and allows them to push north or west towards Odessa). Also battle has begun in the south as well for Mariupol which would connect Russian and Donetsk forces.
     
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    Ukrainian authorities say citizens don't need to declare captured Russian tanks and military equipment for tax purposes

    Cheryl Teh
    Wed, March 2, 2022, 12:35 AM

    Ukrainian authorities have reassured citizens that they don't need to declare captured Russian tanks or any equipment they pick up as personal income.

    "Have you captured a Russian tank or armored personnel carrier and are worried about how to declare it? Keep calm and continue to defend the Motherland!" read a statement from the Ukrainian National Agency on Corruption Prevention (NACP) seen by Interfax Ukraine.

    "There is no need to declare the captured Russian tanks and other equipment because the cost of this does not exceed 100 living wages (UAH 248,100)," the agency explained. The sum equates to about $8,300.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-authorities-citizens-dont-declare-063528451.html

    Got to love these people.
     
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    I actually think in the future fighter jet use will become rare. Even though drones are slower, they pose virtually no risk and smaller size makes it easier to be unnoticed on the ground. Also, the cost of replacing a drone is a heck of a lot smaller than the cost of replacing a fighter jet.
     
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    We can't be too far off from robotic ground forces as well. You look at that dog robot, for instance. What's to stop that being armed and used like infantry?
     
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    Ukrainian ministry of defense disputed that - there is active fighting in the city now.
     
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    The Russians destroyed over 800 military installations the first 2 days of attacks, which means the Ukrainian air force was destroyed while still on the ground. This is probably why Zalensky was ready to surrender.

    Biden was the one who told Zilensky not to surrender and that he'll send him weapons - I guess with the hope that a prolonged war might overthrow Vladimir Putin. Problem is, Putin is doing exactly what the Russian people want him to do. They were getting sick of his pacifism and that he was not doing enough to support the Russian people outside Russia.
     
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    What? These two sentences are 100% wrong.

    Surreal!
     
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    Russia says its economy is taking 'serious blows' as isolation grows
    By Mark Thompson and Vasco Cotovio, CNN Business
    Updated 7:51 AM ET, Wed March 2, 2022

    London/Moscow (CNN Business)The Russian economy is taking "serious blows," the Kremlin acknowledged Wednesday, as the country's growing isolation piles further pressure on its tottering financial system.

    Apple (AAPL), ExxonMobil (XOM), Ford (F), Boeing (BA) and Airbus (EADSF) joined a list of companies shutting down or suspending their operations in Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine and ensuing Western sanctions, and the European arm of Russia's biggest bank collapsed following a run on its deposits. The ruble weakened again to trade at 112 to the US dollar.

    "Russia's economy is experiencing serious blows," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in a call with foreign journalists. "But there is a certain margin of safety, there is potential, there are some plans, work is underway."

    ... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/business/russia-markets-economy-sberbank/index.html

    Reality is becoming harder for Russians to ignore and for the corrupt leadership to deny. Go Joe!
     
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    Don't you worry - Russia taking an economic hit in the short term . .. but Ukraine is being destroyed - and will need to be rebuilt after the fact - which of course will be done by Russia .. making them lots of cash back . :)
     
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    True. Which is why Iran has invested heavily in drones, including ones with 2,000 km range, creating a situation where even the US military has acknowledged that for the first time since the Korean war, the US military faces a situation where it won't enjoy air superiority against Iran. Combined with precision guided ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and kits that turn unguided short range rockets into precision weapons, the days of manned aircraft playing a decisive role in war are numbered.

    But none of that adequately explains Russia's tactics. Unlike Iran which boasts hundreds (even thousands) of military drones, we are talking about Ukraine with a handful of drones trying to increase their number to a few dozen. The numbers Ukraine possesses can be dealt with. But the Russians haven't done what one would expect them to be doing.
     
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    You're right about one thing -- Russia will pay to rebuild Ukraine.
     
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    Lots of video of Russians all over the city and in the center, probably not 100% consolidated but Russia seems to control + the city is entirely surrounded with clashes now in Mikolayiv. Russian or Ukranian ministries of defense are just about the worse sources for information btw, they will both exaggerate heavily and be biased.
     
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    Russians did a little part of what they should have done before sending in the troops. As for how much the Russians accomplished, it wasn't bad for the small number of punches they threw. But it wasn't remotely what you have been led to believe by the sources you read. Some of your sources are pretty delusional.
     
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    The poster you responded to with your post I quoted wanted to know who to back?? Russians (Putin, the robber baron of 19th century US) or the fascist government of Ukraine? It isn't much of a choice even if you don't agree.:roll:

    It's a false equivalence that some are stating the country of Ukraine is fighting for the freedom of Ukrainians. Were the invaders of Nazi Germany taking the freedom of Germans or giving freedom to Germans? Were the invaders of Iraq taking the freedom of Iraqis or giving freedom to Iraqis?

    In the end, the invasion is a consequence of the massive failure by the world diplomatic community...The world diplomatic community are morons...The subsequent world buildup of Ukranian defenses is another massive failure by the world diplomatic community because the end result of that buildup will be WWIII. Who wants WWIII when successful and peaceful negotiations over 3 months ago would've prevented the invasion??

    It doesn't help here in America that the Biden family (the family of the president), for example, has close and personal ties to the current Ukranian government.
     
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    There is nothing fascist about Ukraine's government.
     
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    These sanctions on Russia are not going to hurt them as much as they will hurt us - and especially the EU which will suffer the brunt of them. Russia has always found ways to compensate. For instance, when the American companies leave Russia is it hurting them, or is it hurting our own economy.

    This of course bodes the question: Is our government's real intent to bring about the 'Great Reset' and the liberal one world government? This would explain the demonizing of Putin and Russia in general, since they own 30% of the world's resources and a one world government a la Soviet Union style, cannot come about without Russia.
     
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    Russians will indeed pay to rebuild Ukraine -- via reparations imposed on Russia by treaty.
     
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    Who is the Ukranian government is gonna pay reparations to the two break away provinces in the east of Ukraine?
     
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