Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. omni

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    Because they are at their weakest point. Time to hit them where it hurts and unleash hell.
     
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    The Cry Baby Loser had declared NATO "obsolete" and mewled about quitting, to the delight of Putin, no doubt.

    He had befouled the reputation of America.

    Fortunately, that has been overcome to the chagrin of Putin lickspittles:

    March 23, 2022

    Gallup surveys conducted before Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022 showed the image of U.S. leadership was stronger across much of NATO than it had been in years, after languishing at low levels during the Trump administration. Between 2020 and 2021, U.S. leadership saw double-digit gains in 20 of the 27 NATO members surveyed both years.

    Ratings of U.S. leadership in many countries in 2021 -- including key NATO partners such as Germany and the Netherlands -- matched or surpassed levels seen during the Obama administration.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/391160/image-improves-across-nato.aspx
     
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    https://www.unian.net/world/terrori...kogo-komandovaniya-novosti-mira-11765902.html

    Igor Girkin here discussing the state of war. He mocked Pootin by calling him a paper marshal. The mercenary said that all remaining Russian troops by Kyiv and chernihiv will be obliterated as soon as Ukrainian forests turn green, which will be in like a month. He also expressed serious doubts about Russian ability to take full Donetsk region.
     
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    Not at all. Russians remain illegitimately in Ukraine. Until they are all killed or driven out there will remain the need for weapons and ammunition.
     
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    Ukraine is not invading Russian territory.
    Defense is easier than offense - why would they go into Russia and be subjected to similar attacks by locals that Russians are experiencing in Ukraine?
    If this war becomes very successful for Ukraine, the furthest they would be able to go is Crimea and Donbas. Land invasion of Russia by any army, even the best equipped one, is most likely to turn into an unmitigated disaster, as has been shown in history numerous times.
     
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    https://tsn.ua/ato/bilya-kordonu-z-...-ta-inshoyi-tehniki-z-literoyu-v-2024626.html

    Ukrainians report large Russian military convoys heading towards Minsk in Belarus.
    Will be hilarious if Pootin topples Lukashenko and calls the war in Ukraine a victory. I mean, Lukashenko wears a mustache. Hitler wore mustache too. Judging from the logic Russians apply towards justification of invasion of Ukraine, Lukashenko’s mustache is a sign that he is a nazi and Belarus needs to be denazified. :lol:
     
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    Russians having a hard time.

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    Russia-Ukraine war live updates: Russian units 'forced' to turn back to
     
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    Why didn't Biden exercise some actual leadership and get those MIGs to the Ukrainians instead of tucking his tail between his legs, hmm?

    Because, as the Ukrainian official correctly pointed out, the Cuck-in-Chief and the "progressive" candyasses pulling his strings are p*ssies. They're afraid of Putin and his half-assed army that you and I have been scoffing at for the past month.

    You said something a few weeks ago and it stuck with me because it's absolutely true - Putin is punking the Cuck-in-Chief and the rest of the p*ssies in the West, and it's precisely because they are p*ssies he is able to punk them.

    It's bullshit is what it is - the empty boasting of a decrepit, incompetent coward whose mouth is constantly writing checks his ass can't and won't cash - and the funny part is that the gullible saps who swallowed his chest-beating hook, line and sinker are the same sycophants who are holding him up as a leader.
     
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    Indeed, Biden is the same p*ssy who got pushed around by the Taliban in Afghanistan and the same p*ssy who was too scared of Putin to send Polish MIGs to Ukraine.

    Do you know why people admire Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Because he's a real leader - not a p*ssy who is afraid of the tinhorn thug in the Kremlin and his joke-assed military. You see, leadership requires more than being a p*ssy who uselessly prattles about "unity" to the p*ssies who follow him.
     
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    LOL - They've been doing a helluva lot "reorganizing" haven't they?

     
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    More unreasoning hatred of Biden. It's not any fear on his part of Poutine's army of rusty junk, scared kids and angry gopniks. Even Dementia Joe knows that NATO forces, or even just ours alone, could mop the floor with Russia's. If he fears anything, it is being the guy responsible for escalating the conflict between us and them and subsequently being responsible for American deaths.

    I would wager that we would see the same thing with anyone else in office. No one wants a war between us and another nuclear power. Well, no one but a few of us armchair generals ;)
     
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    But you are aware that Ramstein is on German soil and those Migs would have to fly through German airspace, don't you ?

    Germany made it quiet clear that the Polish plan, using German soil and airspace would not fly, no matter what the US-President decided.
    Poland could have easily delivered the Migs to the Ukraine, its just across the border. Why the detour ?
     
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    Because he had the integrity to refuse to contrive fake criminal charges against the Biden family, even when vitally-needed military aid was withheld to pressure him.

    He has been reward by President Biden reviving, unifying, and leading NATO and other democracies in opposition to Trump's "savvy genius" with whom the Cry Baby Loser is still pleading to help him in his smear campaign, yet another vendetta now.
     
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    Yeah, what a pathetic display is that to behold? Trump is already back to publicly asking the Russians to give him dirt on a political opponent.
     
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    Not even a political character, just a relative of the President who whipped his yooj marshmallow tush.
     
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    Yes, the myth of "progressive" infallibility must be maintained at all costs, despite the failure everyone outside the LW/Dem echo chamber can see and you yourself inadvertently acknowledged. Unfortunately for everyone, the cold hard fact remains that the approval ratings of Biden's performance overall and in response to the war are waaay underwater, and that's with a sycophantic press doing its best to prop him up. In all likelihood, the public's approval ratings are probably in the 30s.

    Now, to be fair to Biden, he's not the only person who has failed in the leadership department, and to listen to them pat themselves on the back about their "unity" in fecklessness is beyond nauseating. Furthermore, there's nothing good to be said for the squealing and pearl-clutching on the parts of the Gabbard-Carlson crowd on the Left and Right who are encouraging that fecklessness or the BS that some Republicans are spouting about how pre-emotive sanctions would have magically deterred Putin from invading Ukraine. It's ALL bullshit.

    Of course, it's fear. Ukraine is a sovereign country and so is the United States - we don't need Vlad the Invader's approval to send MIGs to Ukraine anymore than we need his approval to send Javelins to Ukraine.

    And let's keep another thing in mind here - Putin is at war with the West, and if it's a war he wants, then it's MIGs the Ukrainians get. If the West doesn't stand up to that bully he'll just keep on pushing, and then Chairman Mao 2.0, the "Death to America!" crowd in Tehran and others will get the message that they can push us and our allies around, too.

    That has to stop - now - and no it isn't easy to stand up to bullies, but if you can't handle that you're not qualified to lead anyone, much less a nation.

    I certainly wouldn't make that wager, and there's not a damned thing Putin could do about us sending MIGs to Ukraine. He's not going to launch a nuclear attack and the Ukrainians are giving his crap army all it can handle.

    Like you said, he's just punking our "leaders"....
     
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    :banana:~ At least " Pootin " has been successful in destroying the Russian economy ... :blownose:
     
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    Yeah. The ruble is only down about 7% from it's value before the war started. Two months ago, we damn near had that much inflation in one month.

    Russia's destroyed economy lasted all of 30 days. The EU's destroyed economy will last a decade.
     
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    As someone else pointed out earlier, this move would involve the MiGs going through Germany and they have thrown cold water on the idea.

    Polish has the MiGs, Let them deliver the damned things. They don't need us to do it. However, there is also question about how much of a difference they would make. Ukraine has a functioning air force now that has seen limited use, but it is threatened by Russia's anti-air capabilities and vastly larger air force.

    As for your unreasoning hatred of Biden, it really isn't healthy. You're never going to have a clear idea of what is going on as long as you allow emotion to play such a significant role in your thinking. Biden has his reasons, but they are not some unreasoning fear of Russia's third-rate military. You are filling in the gaps in your understanding of the administration's calculus, and doing so in a very biased and emotional way.

    Regarding Putin and the West, I don't think it's realistic to think that Putin is going to push further to wage war against the West. He wants Ukraine back for revanchist and ideological reasons, but there is also a measure of realism involved. He figured he could beat up on Ukraine's military and win there, but he knows as well as we do that he has no military capacity to take on NATO.
     
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    It takes a little time for sanctions to work their magic. The EU, like the US, has a far stronger economy than Putin's glorified gas station does, and the gap will only grow now.
     
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    Of course, I am.

    That I did not know, and thank you for informing me. Unfortunately, given Germany's ties to and reliance on Russia I wish I could say I'm surprised. I believe our previous president warned Germany and our allies in Europe about the potential negative consequences of this, did he not?

    And since I criticized my government for its weakness and inconsistency I'll have to express my criticism of the German government for theirs, as well. According to the reports I read yesterday, German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht claimed her country is the second largest supplier of weapons to Ukraine, so that poses the same question concerning consistency to the German government as it poses to the U.S. government.

    Quite frankly, I find the double-standard absurd.

    I can only speculate, but since our Secretary of State said our NATO allies has the green light to send fighter jets to Ukraine I presume Poland thought the U.S. and its NATO allies should participate in the transfer.
     
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    Yes, and I've already responded to that. However, that doesn't relieve the Biden administration of its responsibility for the decision it made.

    I responded to that point, as well. Anthony Blinken gave the green light to our NATO allies to provide fighters to Ukraine, so why won't the Biden Administration exercise leadership here? Is it now U.S. policy to encourage other countries to do things that we are not willing to do ourselves?

    That's not leadership.

    I don't hate Biden the way you hate Trump, and yes that is unhealthy. You should also learn that opposing opinions and legitimate criticisms do not qualify as hate and you should learn how to deal with them in a mature and intellectually honest way.

    A classic case of projection on your part. I'm quite capable of analyzing this situation dispassionately and substantiating my positions and criticisms.

    Now, if you can set aside your own emotions, explain to me how encouraging other governments to do what it is unwilling to do itself qualifies as leadership on Biden & Co.'s part. :popcorn:

    I'm pointing out what you acknowledged yourself - Biden's policy is motivated by fear. Whether that fear is "unreasoning" or not is debatable, especially in light of your own observations the I agree with here:

     
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