NFL says all teams must add minority offensive coach, expands Rooney Rule to include women

The event had started for which he/she was being paid by his employer to appear, as a representative of that organization. He/she has no first amendment right in that event.

 

Oh ABSOLUTELY, just because you can hike the ball between your legs and stop a guy from rushing the quarterback doesn't make you a NFL level total team organizer, tactician, developer, general of the team.

 

What if I blast my employer all over social media? It's my first amendment right, but my employer may fire me over it, hence consequences although not illegal.
What if I tell someone how horrible they look today, how terribly ugly their hair and clothes are? It's my first amendment right, but I'd probably not be liked and lose some friends, hence consequences.

There are always consequences. Not everyone will tolerate everything someone says just because it's their right to do so. First amendment protects us from being prosecuted for such things, but there are still social consequences.

You probably still don't understand though.

 

BG, I was referring to this play.

 

So some racism and racists are good. Got it.

 

How do you get "the Left," from "the NFL?" I guess desperation has pushed the truth standards of "the Right," to now allow any person or group, doing anything that they don't like, to be called, "the Left."

Your utter Strawman argument, aside, I don't think I would agree with the NFL's decision, to impose quotas, in this case. Nevertheless, your second argument is another strawman, by implying that because the NFL's players come from just "6% of the population (a number that you do not justify, & which seems arbitrary)," those qualified to be an offensive coach, would come from anywhere near as exclusive, a talent- pool, as its professional athletes.

Further, since the definition of "minority," includes women, and basically anyone besides white males (who make up the bulk of the coaching staffs), it should be no imposition on any team to hire just one non- white male (out of how many coaches, on average?), for their offensive coaching staff. They are not hiring brain surgeons.



Incidentally, I was surprised at what a high percentage of the defensive coaches, currently are minorities: 39%. What also is worth noting, is the kinds of issues which the Right considers the most thread-worthy, at the moment:

supposed cheating, in the 2020 election (still);
anti- homosexuality; Disney's "pro- gay" agenda; Hunter Biden's laptop; conspiracy theories about U.S. biolabs, in Ukraine; Judge Ketanji Jackson's supposed lack of qualification for the SCOTUS, because of her side- stepping a question, asking her to define "woman;" and, of course, your post here, about the NFL hiring more minority & women coaches-- even though you say you no longer even watch football.

This paints a very sad picture of what issues Republicans would prioritize, should they come to control our government's legislature, after the midterm elections.

 

Hmm would the refers consider that open field, out of the tackle box?

 

Could the NFL please be so kind as to define what a woman is that they are referencing for these jobs

 

Does that mean whites are being denied those jobs because of their race? Should they apply some diversity program to have more white defensive coaches?

 

Really? You go to work and you lose your constitutional rights to a corporation. Oh, hell no.

 

Yes, I can't go walking around the office expressing my political views if the office says not political talk in the office. You hire a band to play for you and they start talking MAGA from the stage and you ask them to quit and they don't you fire them on the spot and don't pay them. If I was talking politics to a customer or saying offensive things my boss could fire me.

They are performers on the field and represent the team and the corporation and they get to set the rules for on the field behavior or at any other official events.

 

Oh, I understand and you made good points but.......your examples are not what Kaepernick did. He didn't say anything, he simply took a knee. In your examples you have one case where the person publicly disparages and employer. The first thing to consider is if what is said in fact true. You can't just make things up, that's illegal. In the other the person is using offensive language with the intent of insulting someone on purpose. If it's in the work place that makes for a bad work environment and out of work, it just makes you a dick. Consequenses? Sure, but you should think before you speak.
That's not the case with Kaepernick. He didn't say anything, he didn't make any obcene or offensive gestures.

 

If you're breaking a policy then it's just stupid on your part. You weren't stopped from speaking, you were stupid. You didn't hire the band to hear political talk, contract broken but first amendment rights still good.

What he did was not against any policy or rules.

 

That one way to look at it. It's wrong but it's a way to look at it.

 

It's stupid on the player's part they are violating policy, the players aren't hired for their political or social views they are hired to be a part of the team playing to win the game, that's it.

BTW it was always a rule in my bands, no political and no religious talk from the stage.

 

In what became a specific political/social symbol which even he acknowledged. He has no right to do that while he is being paid by someone to be a member of that football team he is being paid to play and represent the team in everything he does during that event.

Say you hired someone to speak at an event where you were charging tickets for people to come hear the person speak on Global Climate Change. Then when the person gets to the mic he starts to speak about how Trump really won the election and it was stolen blah blah blah............would you have a right to cut his mic?

 

You’re assuming coaches are all hired on merit and not connections or who the coach most relates to.

 

My only source is the OP SNIP, but I did not assume this was due to to preferential hiring, based on race. It probably has to do with these guys, I would guess, having played on a defensive squad, themselves, either in the pros, or at least in college. As you probably know, the percentage of players who are black, far exceeds their proportion of the overall population.

This does appear, at least, to be representing the bias that black guys are smart enough for defense, or lineman positions, but not as much for more skilled, "thinking" positions , like quarterback, or for coaching the more complex, offensive side of the game plan.

 

Wow. It doesn't work that way. And there are PLENTY of coaches who didn't play in the NFL. Do you have any data on that or are you just claiming something as fact that you don't actually have a clue about?

In 2019 only 11 head coaches had played in the NFL.

Vince Lombardi never played in the NFL.

The NFL owners, GM's, etc are concerned with one thing and one thing only, winning. They don't use race to determine who they hire and you will never prove otherwise as you, without any evidence, claim.

 

No, it's not. Excluding people based on race is racist. You just said you were ok with it. It's pretty clear really. You made it very clear.

 

I don't care what the NFL does as long as they do it with their own money. What I care about is the Billions of taxpayer dollars that have funded NFL football stadiums.

 

It's clearly racism and you approve of it and support it, so there's that.

 

I would have a right to cut his mic and not pay him. That's not what he was hired for.

 

Well then if that's the case and she is confirmed then the Republicans (or you) can take it to court and present your case. Good luck.

 

Not sure what that has to do with Biden's racist act of excluding people based upon the color of their skin and your support for it. Perhaps you felt you needed to respond but couldn't think of anything.