The United States can not afford universal Healthcare

https://fortune.com/2022/03/22/white-house-funding-fourth-covid-shot-second-booster-jeff-zients/amp/

In this article it claims that a $15 billion dollar bill needs to be passed in order to supply 4th COVID doses. They’re running out of funding and for one shot…. One freaking shot… they need 15 billion.

This COVID issue has shown our capabilities as far as universal HC. It has exposed funding abuses, forced HC decisions, and expenses that are not acceptable. Do we really want the kind of control in the pandemic pushed on us with government healthcare indefinitely?

Imagine giving them that control. Not to mention the cost, if they had that control over our healthcare what would they force on us?

 

We could afford it if we stop bankrolling the whole world and take care of ourselves first.

We also need some kind of independent oversight to curb the financial mismanagement and abuse within the system.

It's a hard sell because we've been lied to for 2+ years. Wait for the vaccine. You need a booster. Keep masking. Keep socially distancing. It's been "Groundhog Day" for too long.

 

very funny that one of the biggest haters of an America FIRST ex president wants to preach about bankrolling the world
Make up your mind already!

 

"America First" was just a slogan that a guy who has his ties made in China used to dupe people into giving him power. We shouldn't have to explain that to anyone at this point.

 

Dude, we literally can’t afford to not have universal health insurance. Too many people are suffering dragging the economy down. Want a better economy? Don’t have sick employees go to work, getting everyone else sick.

 

It amazes me that they are still fooled into believing Trump's horseshit.

 

We already tried the "Stay at home and get paid" thingy! Look where that's gotten us

 

Of course the US could afford it if it wanted to. Its a matter of commitment and funding source like in any other country. Most countries fund it via VAT, or a mix of VAT and higher income taxes, but the VAT makes more sense.

As of now, the cost it on the individual, and the price is sky-high. I'd like to see a neutral study of how much more people would have to pay in taxes to offset the current $10 000 price tag. I have a feeling it would be less than $10K.

 

Are you under the impression that Trump was the first person to make the suggestion that our dollars should be focused at home before bailing out other countries? Are you suggesting that he 'owns' that particular thought? There are a great many - on both sides of the aisle - who believe that there are many good uses for money in the US that should be prioritized over sending money to other countries.

 

We have the highest medical costs in the world yet we are seeing record numbers of hospitals closing up shop either changing hands or just closing. WHY?????Is it just mismanagement or incompetency??

 

Someone else said it first.
We can't afford not to have it. I have the VA, so I'm good either way, and a plan just for my son is pretty much free till he turns 21. My coworker pays 400 a week out of his check for family care that's worse then our freeish plan....Screw that.

 

Bigger more expensive government has a much more detrimental effect on the economy than the health care system.

 

Multi Billions of dollars for one shot… one shot! And you think we can afford this?

 

The largest complaint was wait times in countries that currently have it.

 

Tell that to all the countries who have successful economies and universal healthcare. You can’t argue the simple fact the worlds most powerful economies also heavily invest universal healthcare.

 

Well, we are also covering R&D.. universal Healthcare would only cover the basics, private money can go toward R&D and private waittimeless premium care. Nothing isnt an option, otherwise this covid thing would have been much worse.

How much is a hospital stay with a resperator? Were people paying out of pocket or did the government cover the bill?

 

Generally speaking, healthcare doesn't need to be forced on anyone. It's welcomed as a necessity of life. A nationalized system being one that will, if it follows the model of other industrialized countries, provide better care cheaper. Expressed as a lower % of GDP.

 

Speaking of other models, California recently (within the last 4 years) tried to write a plan for its own state ran healthcare. This model for one state was estimated to be exponentially more expensive than the whole country of Canada.

 

Which is why I've tuned it out, altogether. If and when I get the coronavirus, it will be among the millions of viruses and bacteria that lives in mine(and everyone else's ecosystem) and we will be able to fight it until we can't, then we pass this mortal coil. I've always known my day on earth will expire at some point, but there's no need for me to worry over it prematurely.

 

Well, "Me First Suckers!" doesn't look so great on a baseball cap.

 

We could easily afford it if the medical industrial complex would charge what it actually costs to make a vaccine, or other medicines and medical procedures, and not charge what they can get away with. As long as profit is tied up in health care, it will likely not seem affordable.

 

You got a point there. So if at any point in time your lil ecosystem infects mine, should universal Healthcare cover me, or should you be liable, and have to come out of pocket to keep me or a loved one on this mortal coil?

 

Of course we can afford couple of billion, but what does that have to do with Universal Health Care?

 

What plan was that? Population of California is bigger than Canada, just FYI

The economic output of New York City alone is larger than the nation of Canada, so what are these comparisons all about, other than opposing UHC for the sake of opposing it.

 

https://calmatters.org/commentary/2022/01/california-cant-afford-a-costly-experiment-in-health-care/

this is an example of one states estimate.

With their population that’s $8,352 to $10,124 per citizen. However that number is a low ball being The cost would not be levied on the poor and would affect the middle class and business. Driving business away from the state. The middle class would not disappear but their buying power would be reduced and prices would go up on all to cover the burden including the poor.

As a second point Canada’s entire countries Universal Healthcare costs less than the one state of California. The idea this is acceptable is a bit much in my opinion.