Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Who knows. I'm not well versed on that stuff, though doubt the world is harmonious enough to be in cahoots on anything, much less a Reset. But it's certainly helping the West realise the dream of a massive underclass, which is bad enough.
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    But weren't we already giving him that reason? And why does he really need a reason for anything anyway?

    Thermonuclear war will not require the world's approval or even notice it, as it will end the world entirely.
     
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    The cutbacks began under Bush and continued most of Clinton's two terms.
     
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    Slowly but surely, the rouble and/or yuan will begin to be acceptable to nation after nation. Or as it stands today, not so slowly.
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    no it won't. Even if all the arsenals of all nuclear powers were used and they all detonated successfully it could not come close to "ending the world entirely".
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Yul Brynner?
     
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    the ruble is back close to where it was before the invasion.
     
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    What has Israel to do with that? Please, enlighten me.
     
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    Isreal previously only dealt in US dollars. They've just allowed for dealing in roubles and yuan, making those currencies equal to the US dollar in their trade. They are just one, but they're a very important one.

    The Western media is not reporting this super-significant change, for obvious reasons. They know that more and more nations are going to agree to trading in non US dollars, but they desperately need consumers to retain confidence in the US dollar.
     
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    Don't stress Russia too much trying to keep up, they have their hands full right now, tiger by the tail and all that.
     
  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    We are one push away from the nuclear button. We have always been so. Nuclear war never went away It was just sleeping until Trump woke it up, way back in his first campaign

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html

    I think I've just figured this war out. It was Trump's idea. He convinced father-figure/mentor Putin to try it to avenge himself on Zellensky for not doing him the "favor" and now that it's gone South he see it as his ticket back to the Presidency. The pair will drag this war on and use it ruin our economy until 2024 and Trump will have a major campaign issue. Once he's elected Putin will withdraw.
     
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    The Israeli economy is tiny you know?
     
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    The U.S. has the full right to act in what we see as our own self interests. And nothing requires consistency.
     
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    So you are indicating when Biden wins, the war will continue??

    That's about the only thing that could make me pro this war...
     
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    It's not about size, it's about strategic importance.

    Underestimate Israel's influence at your peril.
     
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    That surprises me!!! It amounts to backstabbing their bosom friend and huge financial+ supporter. I'm aghast! So many other countries were brutally attacked by the US for wanting to do the same.
    Well, Israel gets away with anything, because they actually control America! This is the best proof!
     
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    If Trump is President again after 2024 we will send troops into Ukraine...To support Putin.

    When Biden wins Putin will give up and go home. He has already given up on the invasion anyway and is just jockeying for terms now
     
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    I am tempted to explain all this again, but I can't imagine no one has already. Its a lot of typing and I just can't see the point when its all pretty obvious.
     
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    You're conscious of how significant it is ... that's good. You're ahead of the 90% of Westerners who remain in deep oblivion.

    And as you say .. it's a backstab of sorts, but they won't be censured. America knows the US dollar is doomed as global reserve, and would never risk taking action against Israel in any case. They know that other nations will join Israel in choosing to trade in rouble/yuan ... other WESTERN nations.
     
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    But,... wont that be fatal to the US's hegemony status? Perhaps it isn't so lethal if only Israel uses those other currencies, since USrael are one and the same.
     
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    Of course, but that's the goal. The East wants to end the US dollar, and they will succeed. They have the benefit of numbers and resources, so it will happen no matter what.

    Isreal is just the first key ally to admit they're moving to trading in roubles/yuan. More will follow.

    When it comes to food and heat, Northern nations will have no choice but to agree to a new global reserve (more likely yuan, but roubles could still be in with a chance). And this war is ALL about food and heat. It was always about those basics, no matter what we've been told.
     
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    I still worry.
    This doesn't sound pacifying...

    Lavrov was asked on state TV about the prospect of a Third World War and whether the current situation was comparable to the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis that nearly caused nuclear war.

    “The danger is serious, real. And we must not underestimate it,” Lavrov said.
    “NATO, in essence, is engaged in a war with Russia through a proxy and is arming that proxy. War means war.”

    Read all here:

    https://globalnews.ca/news/8787007/russia-ukraine-nato-proxy-nuclear-war-accusation/
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    Knowing, how brutal the US has been since and including WWII to other countries, it is impossible to trust them now.
     
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    All about food and heat?
    That sounds so harmless.
    No, I believe it is all about power and control!!!!
     
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    This is your reaction to Kim Jong-un's making boastful promises to his populace, in a speech? Your expectation that N.Korea would believe it could do this, is the only thing that is:
    And your flimsy news article does NOT support your claim that, "N.Korea is positioning itself to present exactly this scenario."

    As for Russia, believing that they could get away with this, that is obviously true. But that Putin was not expecting this much resistance, is just as abundantly clear. Therefore, logically, your criticism should be pointed backward in time, not at the current Administration. But then, you have not shown logic to be your strong suit.


    You'll lose your bet. I'll even do you one better: this is from a post of mine from March of 2021.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...er-into-ukraine.586213/page-2#post-1072521461

    I have numerous other posts, in that thread, largely dealing with the nuclear issue. Here is just a tiny snip:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...r-into-ukraine.586213/page-13#post-1072533769

    So my analyses have been pretty accurate, given a year in advance.
    Now, here is a post from the Russian troop buildup which led to the current invasion, from February 6th.

    Zorro said: ↑
    WWI the deadliest war in history up to that date, NONE of the participants had any inkling of the butchers' bill that the hounds of war would extract from humanity.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...aid-to-ukraine.596567/page-14#post-1073240396

    Obviously, I saw the troop buildup for what it was. I have plenty of other posts, from the same period, if you are interested. Lastly, as far as Iran goes, you are now patently grasping at off- topic straws, or unable to express any relevant argument, in a comprehensible form.

    Non sequitur. And erroneously stereotyping. You can show no reason to claim that even I favor "defunding the police," but nor could you say that "and yours," does, either, as the leader of the Democratic Party, President Biden, is on recent record as emphatically calling for us to "fund the police." This quote of yours, however, is a good example of how faulty is the basis for your, so called, "reasoning."

    It seems that you are the one who cannot even get straight even the positions of those you debate, or what is the subject of the debate, in a particular thread. For no reason whatsoever, other than perhaps your insecurity at not having a solid leg of argument to stand upon, you are trying to turn our discussion into a partisan attack on all, presumed, progressive positions. Quite pathetic, of you. And it hardly discredits my view, any more than it adds a shred of credibility to your own.
     
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  25. Dayton3

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    Don't be ridiculous. The U.S. has tried to handle other nations with as light a touch as possible since World War Two.
     

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