Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

Yes.

 

Russia happily armed North Korea and North Vietnam while American troops were in the field.

THEY’D PROBABLY VOTE REPUBLICAN, TOO: Clear majority of Americans would welcome 100,000 refugees from Ukraine, poll finds.

“More than three in four Americans favor accepting Ukrainian refugees to the United States, a new Gallup poll shows. It’s the highest level of support – by far – Gallup has recorded among Americans for any refugee group since the start of World War II more than 80 years ago, the independent polling firm found. Of those surveyed, 78% agreed that they would accept 100,000 people from Ukraine.”

We welcome them, they fight!

 

Eventually someone will shoot Putin. This is not Stalinist Russia. SMERSH no longer exists.

We have been designing tactical nukes for a long time ourselves. Unless Russia has been testing them in rather deep secrecy (like hidden from satellites and worldwide radiation detecting devices) and/or there are exceptions allowed in the treaties, they haven't tested any.

 

The answer to that should be obvious: anything we haven’t yet done.

so let me ask you: what sanctions shouldn’t we do? Which weapons shouldnt we give if the Ukrainians ask for it?

 

Correlation is not causation.

I think Trump is backing Putin because Biden opposes him.

Yes, Putin waited during Trump presidency. There's a very simple explanation for that. Four more years of Trump would probably have wreaked havoc on NATO, weakening US European allies in the process. There's no way to guess what would Trump have done in another four years, but Putin probably hoped that, with NATO irrelevant, Ukraine and other territories wouldn't stand a chance, and would submit to his will without any need for military actions.

Let's not forget that Putin created the separatist regions in Ukraine, and grabbed Crimea, during Obama's reign, laying the foundation for future interference in Ukraine. I hope you're not suggesting that Obama was in bed with Putin.

Trump, prone to instability and tantrums, is not exactly the right actor to trust in a long-term conspiracy involving a large number of people (on both sides). Besides, long-term conspiracies involving a large number of people are doomed to fail anyway.

 

Nukes and CBW to begin with.
No Fly Zones and anything requiring us to operate
Anything secret
Anything illegal in international law.
Anything meant to attack Russia itself. You can't stop that entirely from border areas but anything with more than about 100 miles range
Mines

 

Well, even if this is not an attack per se, it hurts NATO interests.

I think Putin will go for Moldova next, not Finland.

 

Putin has been planning this for years, no doubt, and Trump is just one factor that he has worked into it, probably at Trump's instigation.

It's more than just correlation that Trump sees Putin as a mentor and Putin sees Trump as a useful stooge. Putin is used to dealing with bad actors and I don't believe he trusts his own mother. He was a Lt Colonel in the KGB and so I think has more than a little confidence in his ability to run conspiracies of any size.

 

I hope you realize that this is pure nonsense. Saying that something is too long for you to read, is NOT proof that it is illogical, emotional, or not pragmatic. It is only proof that you do not understand the meaning of those words-- there is the irony, since it was you who tried to say that I was using words incorrectly. Your pathetic claim of "too long to read, so must not be anything worthwhile," is also the mark of a person who knows that they have a losing argument, and so chooses to ignore the person showing how wrong that loser is.

 

If Ukraine wasn't applying and NATO wasn't pushing, I don't see how this invasion hurts NATO interests... NATO interests are strictly defensive and Ukraine losing some of their country doesn't change the defensive line of NATO at all, just temporarily prevents expansion in that direction.

Whereas adding 2 countries TO NATO as a direct result of this action should be a net plus to NATO interests...

The exact opposite of what Putin's goals were

 

It is happening now because Putin sees the West as weak.
It just watched the takeover of Crimea and Georgia.
The UK leaving the EU has led Putin to think Europe is weaker , plus he has a friend in Hungary's Orban, who also tries to weaken Europe. Putin sees the crumbling of traditional moral stances as a sign of weakness, the constant and aggressive political schisms in the USA which very nearly destroyed the democracy it is supposed to defend.
Putin can use all of this to convince Russia that the West is inferior and he is justified in seeing it as an enemy.

 

Okay, then you should be asking yourself the same questions I have every time they roll out a new sanctions and weapons package every week. Because none of what they keep rolling out violates any of your list.

 

i didn’t say it was too long to read. That’s just your spin. I said what I said: it was emotional, illogical and violated rules of this forum in its clear personal insults. I’m trying to do you a favor and calm you down. Looks like you’ve dialed it back a bit which is good, but at the end of the day you still haven’t gotten your incoherent message across, so work on that and then I’ll check it out

 

I think I have gotten it across to any thinking person. I'm not going to waste time, trying to dumb it down, further, for you, when it is clear that your reason for supposedly not understanding, is your having no counter argument, justifying the crap that you had previously posted.

Tipper101 said: ↑
just rest assured, when you have clearly lost all semblance of logical deduction and have surrendered to pure emotion-based reasoning, nobody needs to read your version of the last testament. You’ve simply lost.


How about actually supporting your assessments, with quotes showing my surrender "to pure emotion-based reasoning?" Oh, that's right, it was too long and rambling of an answer, for you to present an example of it being illogical and rambling. Sure, that makes sense.

 

It is beyond comprehension that Trump has somehow worked into the conversation about a Russian invasion. This is Putin, Russia.

 

Trump was only recently the most powerful man ever existing. Trump is a worldwide phenomena (and threat)

 

WAS being the operative word. He is not currently in charge in spite of how much we might wish he were.

 

That may very well be so. I have been told there is a resurgence of fascism in Europe and the world (Lilly Singh says that is one reason she dislikes boomers, "they rebooted the Nazis") I was gratified when the far right candidate lost in the very recent Presidential election in France.

I find it very distressing that in America our Republican Party has gone completely fascist.

 

He remains a substantial threat to America.

 

Are you trying to say we should listen to you more, you being the Giftedone and all?

 

In what way?

 

Again, so angry. Bummer it’s keeping you from doing or saying anything productive. Caps, underlines, rudeness and insults. All your posts got, and you get called on it and act like they aren’t there. Embarrassing

 

He threatens our democratic institutions and did so constantly throughout his administration. Right now he is threatening our Presidential elections.

 

FFS... Did you forget the invasion of Georgia during the Bush administration and the take over of Crimea during the Obama administration and now all of Ukraine under Biden. Maybe Putin thought that Trump might actually do some vastly different than the prior administrations which was near nothing... Oh, wait... Obama sent blankets...