Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

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  1. Heartburn

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    The only threat he poses to our Presidential elections is he will win the next one. Now what democratic institution is he threatening and how?
     
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    That made me smile, but for a completely different reason than when I read the clever OP comment and figured somebody would fail to get it...
     
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    Like corporate interest? And does political interest mean the US using it's vast wealth to influence countries into accepting our style of democracy? Is that what our government does? Our government works to protect corporate interest around the world and secure more wealth? You see that is exactly what happens when a super power like the US is in need of more wealth to continue to be a super power. At some America's needs will be greater than the wealth the US will need. Do you keep an eye on the National Debt? The US already needs to borrow money to keep afloat. How long will we continue to be able to pay the service on the debt? The US is in a Catch-22. And now we have another war to pay for.
     
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    Whatevs. And of course it bodes poorly for the US. How could it not? What on earth makes you think America is immune from all insult? And what would drive you to remain silent about it, even if you actually accepted that reality? Do you have some kind of investment in seeing people taken by surprise? Or is it your own paranoia, responding to frightening conversations? The same paranoia that evidently compels you to engage in the fantasy that America is invulnerable?

    And on the contrary, it appears I care far more than you do about the repercussions for Americans .. since I'm talking openly about the threats, while you're poo-pooing them.

    Again, your assumption about Israel is based on the old premise that the US dollar is eternal and untouchable. It's not founded on actual events and changes taking place NOW. The dollar is finished. It might take one year or twenty, but it will happen. The yuan (or the rouble) will win.
     
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    Not relevant, unfortunately.
     
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    I never claimed anything about Israel other than their recent agreement to trading in both roubles and yuan, where previously they did not. Any assumptions about Putin (of all things .. as if it has anything to do with him) that you derive from that are your own. ESPECIALLY when it comes to extrapolating some bizarre race/religious angle.
     
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    Fear is definitely a factor, but not for the reasons you seem to imagine.

    It's brutal pragmatics now.
     
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    Why do you think it's all about Putin?

    Where does this bizarrely narrow view come from?
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Finland and Sweden joining NATO increases the chances of having interaction with Russia. The border countries are getting jumpy and anything could happen.
     
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    It is also because Putin has not invested in highways or extensive infrastructure instead putting the money into the military and weapons preparing for what is taking place now and more if it comes to that.
     
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    LOL .. shucks.
     
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    By not listening to his security concerns since he became president of Russia in 1999. He does not want NATO in his backyard. Yet we keep moving NATO closer. NATO should have ended for the US back in 1989 which would have ended NATO. The Warsaw Pact ended in 1991 which means NATO no longer had a mission.
     
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    Your asking for more this and more that is escalating things to a point Russia will retaliate against countries supplying the aid and support. He has already shutoff gas to Bulgaria and Poland. Who will be next? When it comes to economic survival for Europe Putin holds the cards. 45% of Russian gas goes to the EU. You will see EU countries quietly paying for Russian gas in Rubles dividing the EU weakening their commitment to NATO.
     
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    He also NEEDS wheat. Or rather, he needs a temperate seaboard. He has a lot of mouths to feed, just like Ch!na and !ndia.
     
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    I don't think ordinary Americans have any clue how serious the situation is. The U.S media reporting is completely detached from the reality.

    Putin’s Stooges: He May Nuke Us All but We Are Ready to Die

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/putin-stooges-may-nuke-us-183813392.html

    During Tuesday’s broadcast of 60 Minutes, Vladimir Avatkov of Russia’s Diplomatic Academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs delivered an Orwellian perspective of current events. “What is happening right now is not about Ukraine, but about the future world order, which has no room for hegemony and where Russia can’t be isolated.”

    Host Olga Skabeeva described a summit hosted by the U.S. in Germany that day to discuss upping Ukraine’s defense capabilities as a sign that this is indeed “World War III, no longer just a special operation, with forty countries against us. They declared a war.” Portraying global opponents of Russian aggression as evil incarnate, political scientist Mikhail Markelov claimed: “The representatives of those forty different countries are today’s collective Hitler.”

    Later the same day, on The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, host Vladimir Solovyov lamented the West’s refusal to heed the Kremlin’s warnings. “If they decide to support Ukraine—even though [Russia’s Foreign Minister] Sergey Lavrov told them that this could lead to WWIII—nothing will stop them. They’ve decided to play it big... These are the bastards with no morals.” Head of RT Margarita Simonyan added: “Personally, I think that the most realistic way is the way of World War III, based on knowing us and our leader, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, knowing how everything works around here, it’s impossible—there is no chance—that we will give up.”

    In perhaps the most shocking declaration about a nuclear holocaust delivered on Russian television in recent months, Simonyan concluded that the idea “that everything will end with a nuclear strike, to me, is more probable than the other outcome. This is to my horror, on one hand, but on the other hand, with the understanding that it is what it is.” Solovyov chimed in: “But we will go to heaven, while they will simply croak.” Simonyan comforted the audiences by adding: “We’re all going to die someday.”
     
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    I'm really not so sure Putin is concerned for his citizens. At least not for now.
     
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    Well there's some comforting words, "we're all going to die someday." Russia has always believed with the right preparation a country who strikes first has the best chance of survival. No doubt Putin has been preparing for nuclear war since he took office in 1999. And I do believe he will use nuclear weapons if he feels it necessary. I prefer to get the news from YouTube. Lot's of sources and varying takes.
     
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    The nation is concerned for its citizens. It has no other choice.
     
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    Any citizen who gets in Putin's way is dealt with. His only concern is that they shut up and put up with his war.
     
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    It's not just Americans. Western media in general is heavily censoring information, and the people are being lied to daily. They even admit (off record) that they're concerned about causing 'panic' ... which is yet another lie. Panic is easy to avoid by keeping people informed from day one. They chose not to do that, because it's more important to keep people in a 'just in time' market mindset. That way they have to keep spending every day, and keep spending at whatever the daily market rate is. Planning ahead means people are able to avoid spending at market rate. The West is now SO dependent upon spastic consumption in a 'just in time' market, that it's become more important to protect that, than to warn citizens to prepare themselves for challenging times.

    If you know anyone living in non-Western places, you might be aware that they're privy to more brutal truths - and many have also been advised to stock food and medical supplies. They were advised months ago actually ... while we were busy wondering when we could eat out and take vacations. Exactly as planned. Our Govts knew, but chose silence.
     
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    It probably wouldn't matter who was in charge. The East has to act now, to shift the paradigm. They have the bulk of humanity, and every one of them needs to be fed and housed into the future.
     
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    The U.S. hasn't promoted its "corporate interests" overseas by military means since the end of the 19th century.
     
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    Russia does not need to go conquering to feed and house their citizens.
     
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    Prove it.
     

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