A teacher needs to teach outside of the subject material

If you don't see it, that's fine.

 

To some degree a bit of subject drift is understandable but a good teacher keeps their political opinions and their opinions on sexuality to themself.

We send kids to school to learn to read and write and spell and do mathematics.

 

From some of the above I can fully understand why intelligent people would never become teachers in the USA.
Back in the day, parents supported in loco parentis schools. Today schools and teachers are once again political issues under critical scrutiny by people who have never stood in front of a class and not been in a school since they graduated. Yet they hold the power to get professional teachers fired and trusting teachers to do their jobs properly is beyond asking.
Teachers are as professional as doctors but it is rare anyone criticises doctors for their political opinions. And any teacher I have met behaves with integrity.
Is there nothing in the US which is not political? There is no way I would ever teach in the US if what I see here is the norm.

 

I have never went to a doctor to seek his political opinion and we should not send kids to school where teachers give children their political opinions either.

 

It means they shouldn't purport to teach outside of their area of expertise and they shouldn't force the "teaching" of subject matter that is inappropriate to their classroom. A math teacher shouldn't be teaching scientology to your kids and trying to recruit them into it for example.

 

Of course not. Why would anyone think this is quality education?
Sure, if a teacher is off sick and another one sits with the classes, they are technically teaching outside their subject, but usually just administering material given by that department, not imparting new material over a period of time.
So much of this conversation is self evident. It is the hijacking of education by those who long left it, to make political capital out of myths they create, that annoys me.
Teachers do not go into schools to indoctrinate impressionable children into some political ideology.
It is almost always some right leaning person who accuses teachers of some undermining of minds towards the left.
Hardly ever the reverse.
It is pure speculation, never proven and designed to blame teachers for the fact that some students support the left.
So what? Get over it. They appreciate free speech, equal opportunities and reject racial bias. Any intelligent person does.

 

As do Conservatives. Any "liberal" that doesn't have a problem with Joe biden's new ministry of Truth cannot claim to believe in free speech

 

Because I wouldn't trust your mental and emotional ability for such a role. And your ridiculous helicopter gender is a concept they don't need to have stuffed in their face until a later grade.


That's why.

 

A good teacher stays within their subject. A good teacher does not go outside of what they are suppose to be teaching. Good teachers work on getting a kid an A not teaching them social ques in math

 

They don’t need it stuffed in their face at all. The parents should be discussing these things not some random person. I’m sure you agree but all that stuff needs to stay out of school period.

 

Depends upon where you live. Rich folks have good public schools.

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You're getting sucked into believing the BS pumped out in rightwing media.

Here's some free advice for you from an insider... Put your elementary kid into language immersion program. Put your high school kid into International Baccalaureate and/or Advanced Placement. These programs monitor themselves. The riffraff doesn't want to work (Mom and Dad are probably riffraff themselves). Your kids will hang around with other motivated kids,

Your school district doesn't have language immersion, IB and AP? You live in the wrong community. Move.

No, they aren't. You still don't know what actually goes on.

We need quality teachers. Rich people pay just enough more for salaries, learning materials and equipment to suck up the few quality teachers. Those parents are also smart enough not to harass teachers.

Harassing teachers, paying low salaries and having a lack of supplies and equipment almost guarantees lousy schools.

 

Try using tongue depressors and rubber bands. That's how Mrs. Drysback taught counting back in first grade. When I saw her do that I was astonished. I thought everyone knew how to count in the decimal system. My father told me I learned how to count by looking at the page numbers in books.

Anyway, the point of this story is that I and your unfortunate child do not belong in the same class. But woke pedagogy would place us there. They are interested in equity not excellence, and it is much easier to hold back the bright kids than educate the slow ones.

 

When I was in school as a student in the UA we has subject teachers but also what were called "homeroom teachers".
The former taught us the information about the subject.
The latter (also subject teachers) steered us through the social aspects of confronting the world outside IF WE NEEDED IT.
Some kids didn't need it. Others needed another guide to compare to parental input and still others needed them to be a total guide in the absence of any parental input.
The role of social and personal guidance when asked is very much a part of being a teacher. Much teacher training in my case was taken up with psychology and communication with adolescents.
But the two roles as subject teacher and adult counsellor were strictly apart.
I have had occasions when a young person and I got on well and they quietly asked my advice. I always directed them to their form tutor (homeroom teacher) first, sometimes s/he would discuss the issue with me but far more often s/he would see it as his/her role and deal with it, so did all subject teachers, who dealt with their own form's issues, sometimes alongside parents and sometimes not, depending on the issue and what the child wanted. This constant idea that teachers infect pliable minds with politics is just so much idiocy. There are hardly enough hours in the day to do what is required, let alone expand subject matter without being a propagandist for the left.
And generally a very poorly paid one at that.

 

People learn what they believe is useful. Their minds forget what they don't think is important. Good teachers continuously answer the proverbial student question, "Why do we have to learn this stuff?"

 

Don't be silly.
Clever kids are often moved up into a higher level for the subjects they do well in.
I was moved up into an older class for French in high school. Socially difficult but I survived.
Teachers look for excellence, and reaching potential. Your jaded view is absolutely incorrect.

 

You can see them for yourself on LibsofTikTok.

 

The liberals of CA want to eliminate all advanced math classes until 11th and 12th grades. They have been thwarted for the moment by an outcry of distinguished citizenry. But they still want to do it.


To counter that perceived shortcoming, the proposal would have students of all inate abilities remain together well into high school, essentially eliminating acclerated moves into higher-level mathematics, such as calculus, by those who exhibit desire and aptitude.

...


“California is on the verge of politicizing K-12 math in a potentially disastrous way,” the letter declared. “Its proposed Mathematics Curriculum Framework is presented as a step toward social justice and racial equity, but its effect would be the opposite – to rob all Californians, especially the poorest and most vulnerable, who always suffer most when schools fail to teach their students. As textbooks and other teaching materials approved by the state would have to follow this framework and since teachers are expected to use it as a guide, its potential to steal a promising future from our children is enormous.”


https://calmatters.org/commentary/2021/07/california-educators-math-curriculum-woke-students/

 

This was last year.
Did any such legislation pass?

 

Shows what I know. I learned stuff that was interesting and forgot stuff that was boring. I would think good teachers would strive to make their subjects interesting, not useful.

 

That's why schools have International Baccalaureate, Advanced Placement, honors courses, language immersion, technical high schools and on and on.

Public schools are bad enough because of the low salaries you pay and now you're going to harass teachers for policies set by the people you elected.

Rich people are smart enough to hire quality supervisors and let them monitor classrooms.

 

Older students are smart enough to work at things they're convinced are useful if you respect them enough by explaining.

 

Across the political spectrum.

Some do, some don't. Still, the kid is theirs and they get their say as much as is practical, right or wrong.

 

Your beef is with your state and your school district.

 

And if you've read it you know the word gay isn't even mentioned.

 

Progressive ideas are new to a lot of people. So, too, conservative ideas.

"New" is whatever the kid hadn't heard.