Is there a right to abortion, and if so, where does the right come from?

I'm not sure what right wing indoctrination material you are reading, but almost nobody supports late term abortion. NOBODY supports killing the child as it's coming out of the womb.

Third trimester abortions are incredibly rare, and only exist for a few reasons, mostly, if the mom's life is in danger. Perhaps that's offensive, and you would propose killing the mom to save the baby, but you would be in the minority.

Whomever is telling you that baby killers are offing kids as they come out of the womb is lying to you. Quit believing propaganda. There's no factual basis to it whatsoever.

 

The radical Right won't stop unless the Feds stop them.

 

Roe v Wade didnt place limits on abortions in the third trimester. It simply stated that such limits by the states wouldnt be unconstitutional. Regardless it was still legislating from the bench.

 

?????? uuuuuhhh I believe they are voting today on Schuemers abortion bill that allows abortions up to the time of delivery. Bunch of Democrats will be voting for it.

 

You need to study the 1960s and groups such as SDS, the Red Brigades, and the Weather Underground. You cite one case.

Obviously the violent extremists of any ideology are loathsome, but they both exist.

 

Great post - that pretty much lays everything out. I may come back to this later.

An interesting note about Dems codifying this, and I think it was our friend Polydectes who pointed it out in another thread, Democrats have had an opportunity to make abortion legal, and they had the supermajority in the Senate to do it will in 2009, but they had other priorities. They were more concerned about ramming ObamaCare down the nation's throat instead of dealing with something that they still portray as one of their most important issues and priorities. I guess they lied. Now, there's no telling when this could happen, and I don't see it happening any time soon, either. Some of our "progressive" friends think it will, but I think bread and butter "wallet' issues are going to be tops in people's minds this November, not this one particular issue. That's not to say this issue won't go away, but the other issues will have to go away first, and I'm operating on the presumption that Dems won't nuke the filibuster in the meantime. I think it's a pretty safe bet that once they have the votes they will, particularly if the current leadership is still in place.

 

And never mind all the ANSWERniks who set the country on fire in 2020.

Selective outrage is fun....

 

I was around back then, and I read history.

The Left was heavily suppressed by the FBI, until the death of J Edgar..

For some reason, the FBI let the radical Right get away with a lot more. You can still see that affinity occasionally.

In any case, what I said was true. The Left isn't much of a problem right now, the Right is..

 

I sympathize with those whose impulse it is to preserve. The left wants revolution to one degree or another, because they hate what we have created and enjoy.

Sometimes, revolution is in order, but usually it does more harm than good.

 

In this case what you said is bullshit...



...and we could be in for another Summer of "Progressive" Violence this year, especially with Democrats inciting it as we speak.

Shall we get back to the subject of my thread, which is a discussion/debate about rights, not extremist violence?

 

So what the FBI says is BS.

As Spock liked to say, fascinating.

 

The sane want reform.

The radical Right, aka The Death Cult, wants to overthrow the government, and they're still working on it..

 

I'm happy to reform what needs reforming.

 

Nah. The worst of them on Jan. 6 were misfits and nuts and have largely apologized. And the estimates for repairs to the Capitol that I've seen run from 1.5 to 15 million max.

BLM riots (which the left excuses anyway) cost over $2B. Who on the left has apologized for that?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/

The OKC bombing, which was 2 guys, one of them quickly executed, was 125 million.

The left says it wants reform, but is willing to burn the place to the ground to get it. Those who don't call for it don't condemn it because that would be racist. Again, when does the Left apologize?

 

You're projecting.

That is what the Right is trying to do.

Republicans are a minority party, and they're gunning for minority rule.

White Power...

 

Well, that's a rather racist remark, but not unexpected.

I cited the stats. Do you need some more pictures to help you get some perspective?

The Left is demonstrably, objectively worse.

 

We have had race riots since the 1800s. They will continue to happen until we fix that problem. They are periodic (meaning it will be a while) and they are not political in the usual sense of the word. They are a protest.

Jan 6 was political, in that Trump was trying to become a dictator.

"This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020."
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

 

But see, to the Leftist, the problem is never solved. Despite the union victory in the Civil War, then Reconstruction, then the Civil rights laws, then affirmative action, then burning down Minneapolis and looting Chicago and San Fran, your grievances just grow and grow. The only way you're going to get the equality for which you are struggling is if Big Brother imposes it from above. The kind of Equality I want must come from the ground up and starting at the ground.

 

You're writing fiction.

 

How so? Why would not every SCOTUS decision then be legislating from the bench? Or are only the ones you agree with not?

 

The moment you used the term "worse" you invalidated "objectively".

 

A baby in the womb does not take blood or the organs of the mother, strawman.

 

No, I mean by any objective standard.

As in, by any objective standard, Sweden is better than Somalia. And it is. You can show that without passion or emotion

 

And yet, here you are complaining, as ever.

 

And speaking of death cult, The Women’s Health Protection Act would make elective abortion a right in the first six months of pregnancy and would force states to allow abortions in the last trimester, after the point at which a child can survive outside the womb, in cases where a healthcare worker finds pregnancy could harm a mother’s mental or physical health. The legislation would also automatically strike down all state laws restricting abortions in the first six months of pregnancy and does not include exceptions for parental notification or consent laws, which require parents to be notified of or grant permission for their underage child to have an abortion.