Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Poohbear

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    The Arab Spring was started with a fruit vendor in Tunisia - it wasn't something designed by Osama bin Laden et al.
    The revolution spread across the Arab World. This also ignited in Syria, with various groups opposed to Assad and
    his brutal dictatorship.
     
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    It would be hard to get further away from fascism that what you see in any of the Nordic countries.

    Putin, on the other hand, ticks most of the Fascist boxes:
    There's
    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
      Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
      Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
      The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military
      Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5. Rampant Sexism
      The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

    6. Controlled Mass Media
      Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7. Obsession with National Security
      Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
      Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected
      The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed
      Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
      Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
      Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
      Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections
      Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    There's prob a couple of those that don't apply, but most fit him like a glove..
     
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    In this case, oddly, Putin had a distain for his own army. He was a security guy. He saw the army as a challenge to his power. Oddly, this led to his fall in Ukraine.
     
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    There will be no US missile bases in Ukraine, even if it is necessary to use nuclear weapons.
     
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    I don't think most Ukrainians care less about missile bases. They care that if Putin wins his latest war they
    won't be Ukrainians anymore, but Russians. And what Western person would want to live in Russia?

    And remember, a week ago it was Putin saving Russia from invasion, and three days ago it was finding
    American bio labs in Ukraine. Yeah, yeah yeah.
     
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    why wouldn't they after these events?
     
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    Then why is Russia's invasion of Ukraine NOT a reasonable move? Russia has been trying for years to resolve the matter through diplomacy, but the US is not interested in diplomacy, it is interested in war, as it always has been.
     
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    Russia's claims are illegitimate.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Ukraine is a sovereign country with complete freedom to chart their own course without external interference.
     
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    All of those 14 points you mention apply perfectly to all US administrations for the last 20 years or more.

    Were you describing Russia or the US?
     
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    If your neighbor befriends a very evil entity, who convinces him to put land mines and explosives on his property that can hurt you and your children, I wouldn't call it freedom. I would call it suicide.

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    "Are we gonna die!"
    "Yes!"

     
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    Even if that includes shelling the people of Donbas?
     
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    Donbas is a part of Ukraine illegally occupied by Russia.
     
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    So you've been taught by Lester Holt and the rest.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    Ukraine set a goal to become a member of NATO and abandon its own foreign policy back in 2002.
     
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    The US must remove its missile bases from Europe and not pose a threat to Russia.
    In this case, Russia will not need to occupy neighboring countries.
     
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    You sound like you stepped out of Arthur Koestler's Darkness at Noon.
     
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    All NATO members are committed to renounce their own foreign policy in accordance with the NATO Charter. On the other hand, all NATO members recognize the United States as their leader.
    Consequently, all NATO members enforce US foreign policy.
    There is no reason to consider NATO members as sovereign states. Each football team has a flag, emblem and anthem.
     
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    I watch MSM from time to time simply to find out how they want me to think.

    Whatever they want me to think, I think the opposite.

    They want me to think that the Ukrainian government is noble and that its people like it. That is pure BS. I've had an education about Ukraine by way of Oliver Stone's "Ukraine On Fire". Knowledge is a good thing.

    Propaganda not so much.
     
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    Ukrainians don't care about American missile bases that threaten Russia?
    Therefore Russian opinion of Ukrainians is indifferent.
     
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    You on about 'missiles' again Jazep. Which ones is this time?
     
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    Thank you for your confession. Good luck in your future endeavors.
     
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    Is the Pootster losing confidence?
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    Putin losing confidence in Ukraine war, former Russian PM says
     
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