Can people really be non-binary?

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Can people really be non-binary?

  1. no

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  2. yes

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    44.9%
  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So men cannot be beautiful and gentle or if they are that makes them a woman? And that is womanliness not "a woman" men pretending to be women can display this womanliness, which you haven't defined, but that doesn't turn them into a woman.
     
  2. dairyair

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    I provided you definitions of both woman and womanliness.

    What you described of men like that is they are womanliness, which is one of the definitions of woman.

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    Male, female and transgender brains
    “The male and female brain have structural differences,” he says. Men and women tend to have different volumes in certain areas of the brain.

    “When we look at the transgender brain, we see that the brain resembles the gender that the person identifies as,” Dr. Altinay says. For example, a person who is born with a penis but ends up identifying as a female often actually has some of the structural characteristics of a “female” brain.

    And the brain similarities aren’t only structural.

    “We’re also finding some functional similarities between the transgender brain and its identified gender,” Dr. Altinay says.
    https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

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    Hermaphrodite Definition
    A hermaphrodite is an organism with both male and female genitalia.
    https://biologydictionary.net/hermaphrodite/

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    A couple of terms that show human species is not binary in it's entirety.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    What is womanliness and how does it turn a male into a female? Again if I go and buy a dress and makeup and put them on and I don't know what sashay around does that turn me into a woman, an adult female, or am I just displaying some stereotype of "womanliness"? I have known men whose actions and behavior showed some "womanliness" but it didn't make them women. I've known gay men who did and they would be the first to tell you they are men not women. You "ness" argument only means displays a quality it doesn't change a man into a woman.

    And spare me the mutations argument.
     
  4. dairyair

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    What you see, know, interpret, or believe means little to me.
    You asked for definitions, I gave you definitions.
     
  5. crank

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    Well I mean yes, America HAS "seized" for about 60% of your citizens.

    Though perhaps for you, things are rosey?
     
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    Again, what 'persecution' are you referring to? Describe it exactly. Is it a law? Are they being starved, or tortured? What exactly is happening to them?

    We ask people their NAMES. If you find that rude, that's also a you problem. It means you expect special treatment for those who demand it.
     
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    We refer to it as 'blackface'. It's appropriation, and highly insulting.
     
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    You making up things doesn't make it true.
     
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    Would that be the same 'fear' that some people have of Republicans, for example? Or are you going to claim special exemption from ordinary human motivations?
     
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    Dude, you were the one saying America hasn't 'seized'.
     
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    America died the day trump was elected.
     
  12. dairyair

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    You haven't proved it has been. So I don't believe the things some ferener makes up.
     
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    No problem. You can see from the pictorial evidence that America has done SUPER well since the late 20thC.

    1950's LA:
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    2022 LA:
    [​IMG]
     
  14. dairyair

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    Oh my, how's that 60%? 1 pic?
     
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    Want to peddle the claims of social improvement right back? Or are you going to run with the fantasy?
     
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    Yep if you can pretend to be a woman and use makeup to do so why not a black?
     
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    And I showed you how they do not change men into women.
     
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    One of the many double standards. And evidence of the profound misogyny behind gender theory.
     
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    The she was an a-sexual woman, but still a woman.
    Nobody on earth is "non-binary".
    This idea is an invention by people with an over-blown Ego who want to be something very very special.
     
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    So what?

    History has a few characters like that. We just had one.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Bingo.
     
  22. dairyair

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    Hermaphrodite Definition
    A hermaphrodite is an organism with both male and female genitalia. I
    https://biologydictionary.net/hermaphrodite/

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    Male, female and transgender brains
    “The male and female brain have structural differences,” he says. Men and women tend to have different volumes in certain areas of the brain.

    “When we look at the transgender brain, we see that the brain resembles the gender that the person identifies as,” Dr. Altinay says. For example, a person who is born with a penis but ends up identifying as a female often actually has some of the structural characteristics of a “female” brain.

    And the brain similarities aren’t only structural.

    “We’re also finding some functional similarities between the transgender brain and its identified gender,” Dr. Altinay says.
    https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

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    A couple of examples of non binary people.
     
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    This topic really does make me confused.

    I just spent a long weekend in a conference with hundreds of non binary people. You should trust that your opinion is not relevant. They care as much about you as they do any other fellow citizen who doesn’t agree with them.

    The extremists demanding things are extremists, and are the loud, yet minority, voices on this issue.

    It is stunning to me how everyone can understand mutations of almost everything, like a double yolk, or conjoined twins, or a person born with 8 toes, or an albino, or Down’s syndrome or leukemia…. And the list of mutations for biological creatures is infinite.

    But, in this very narrow teeny tiny specific thing, everything is binary.

    lol.

    computers only understand binary. Biology doesn’t agree to your terms. Everything alive has a mutation. The entire living world is just a giant display of mutations.

    But, narrow minded peeps gotta be intolerant. I can’t imagine a life so empty that you have to spend your short time on earth worrying about whether someone who feels like a woman is a valid woman.

    I hope you can find something more meaningful to kvetch about.
     
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    That's because you're choosing to confuse two very different things - ie the physiological and the psychiatric. No wonder you're 'stunned'.
     
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    As a bipolar person, I speak with 55 years of incredibly personal experience, disconnects between the brain and the body, do happen.

    I don’t get how someone can understand a physical abnormality being acceptable, but a brain abnormality is impossible.
     
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