How easy is it to build an "assault rifle"...

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  1. Condor060

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    I never said anything about an AR-15.
    I asked you to describe what an assault weapon is.
    But you knew that.
     
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    The first and most obvious thing is this hostility to the oil industry.

    You may have noticed but when the price of gas goes up everything else tends to go up as well.
     
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    So you mean to tell me if Trump was President right now under the exact same circumstances that every liberal on the planet would not be blaming him for inflation?
     
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    Nah, less than more. We still have a pesky consumption shift from in-person services to goods that appears to have legs as some people are still mitigating covid risk. Prices are sticky down and in-person services businesses haven't dropped prices as much as goods businesses have raised theirs.

    I don't see how we're going to avoid a recession. Real wages are falling, rates are increasing and credit is tightening.
     
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    The last handout was too big.
     
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    I don't give a **** about what "every liberal on the planet" would say. I'm going to stick to the facts, mate. Why is that an offensive concept?
     
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    The fact is he has a lot to do with the spike in oil prices which drives inflation. The very first thing the moron did was shut down the pipeline.

    Only about the safest way with the smallest possible carbon footprint to transport oil.
     
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    The pipeline has nothing to do with our current inflation or our current oil prices. The pipeline wouldn't have even been finished by now, and it wouldn't fix our issues even if it were finished. You have no idea what the **** you are talking about. Again, I'm going to keep going with facts and you can keep ignoring facts and just go with your political grievances instead. I'll keep picking facts, you'll keep picking feelings. And the world keep on going just like it did yesterday and the day before and the day before, etc. etc.
     
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    Except this inflation was driven in large part by oil prices and when Biden declared the end of fossil fuels, it dried up investments and reduced supply.
     
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    There has been no "end of fossil fuels." And inflation has been global, and no, it hasn't just been linked to fuel costs. That's nonsense.
     
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    Some people need killing.
     
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    We know the effort is to ban semi-automatic rifles they keep calling "assault weapons."

    This country has a reality deficit with semi-automatics called "assault weapons" and fetuses called "babies." Folks could try to get their heads around people will continue to have firearms and abortions, like it or not.
     
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    So now you want to ban aluminum, springs, steel, and plastic? You'd make a really good tyrannical dictator, if there were anything as "good" and "tyrannical" being connected to the word dictator. First you think you're actually going to get the 2A repealed, which is impossible because if for no other reasons (there are plenty) you'll never get 38 States to say yes, but now you're going to ban springs.

    BTW, 3d printers aren't all that expensive, I've got 3 of them and they're considered the best medium sized commercial quality ones money can buy. But you could buy 4 or maybe more entry-level ones for just the price of one of mine.

    I wouldn't trust a 3d-printed firearm, YET, but not because of the printers or how they work, we just don't have plastics that are strong enough. I expect that, like all things technological, the options will continue to grow and something that is strong enough to be available soonish, however you'd like to define that. I also expect that it won't be long until we have 3d printers that will print metal parts, too, but that likely would require a new or updated model.
     
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    The "threat" which Biden made discourages investment in further development. My own investment advisor said they were pulling away from the energy sector because of uncertainty. No one in their right mind invests in a sector which has been threatened with extinction.
     
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    How am I lying when I say that no one outside of the military (or anyone actually fighting a war) needs that kind of firepower?
     
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    Where did I call you a liar for saying "no one outside of the military (or anyone actually fighting a war) needs that kind of firepower"? Why compound one lie with another one?

    One of my friends who has one carries it on his side by side on his farm for coyotes and other such destructive animals. It is no more powerful than any other .223 semiautomatic. Likely has a slightly lower muzzle velocity than similar cartridge .223s because of the shorter barrel. He likes it because it is compact and easy to handle.
     
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    The 2nd doesn't say much of anything, which is a problem in the modern era of powerful weapons made to kill many people in a short amount of time. The founders were not gods, or prophets, they were just men. They could not have seen this coming.

    A well regulated militia? When was the last time we needed a civilian militia? I see nothing well regulated about these mass killers. We must get these rapid-fire, high capacity magazines weapons out of the civilian population.

    I understand guns as a collectors hobby, even these types of guns, but their enjoyment of the freedom to own such weapons is far outweighed by the lives of innocent children, shoppers, movie-goers, and worshippers.

    That's my opinion. Nothing you say will change that.
     
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    No doubt they would. He DID inject a mountain of money into the economy in 2020, and he would have continued to do so if he had been reelected.

    US production is increasing, but it has very little to do with global oil prices, or global inflation. You think everything on this planet revolves around the US, but there is a heck of a lot to it that that. US produces about 12% of worlds oil, and its not well suited for gasoline production. OPEC produces 40% of oil and for the most part it is much better suited for gasoline production.

    I'll bet you'd blame the US for a pimple on your ass.
     
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    Like I said, nobody has explained what an assault rifle is yet. Including you
     
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    Actually you have it backwards. The supersonic rounds of around 2500 fps are needed for accuracy going to several hundred yards for most hunters.

    Subsonic rounds of around 1000fps like are used in most pistols would have been just as deadly at close range in that school..

    The rate of fire are similar for semiautomatic pistols and semiautomatic rifles.
     
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    I did. It said you wanted to ban tools used to make guns and ammo. But you won't say which tools. There arent any tools that are *only* used to make guns and ammo, so the tools you want to ban are just common metalworking tools that are also useful in making guns and ammo. Which common metalworking tools do you want to ban? A quality, lethal semi-automatic firearm can be made with just a lathe and a mill and lot of practice. A shitty but still quite lethal semi-automatic firearm can be made with a welder and and drill press and probably a lot of hammering. Do you want to ban any of these tools I've mentioned?
     
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    Much like you I am sure.... I eagerly anticipate his answer but I suspect that both of us will be sitting here waiting for a long time.
     
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    The webpages showing how to build assault weapons and their corresponding bullets from scratch indicate that it's possible, but it's difficult and expensive. Certainly more difficult and expensive than going to a Texas gun store and purchasing an "assault rifle" and over 1600 rounds.

    Forgive me if I didn't make myself clear. But the idea is to REDUCE the number of mass shootings and the number of dead in the episodes that cannot be stopped. I proposed my solutions here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-ban-guns-without-firing-a-single-shot.600040/

    The ONLY real argument against doing what I proposed is that it was just as easy to make your own assault rifle and ammunition. It's not! It's not if we ban the sale of kits, the sale of gun parts, ... and all the things I mentioned in the OP.
     
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    So according to your little fantasy in this ideal world would you ban welders drills and files and grinders?
     
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    Trying to have a serious discussion here. If all you can come up with are idiotic arguments, you need not participate. But your strawman does help underline the fact that gun extremists have run out of arguments.
     

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