Gun control compromise

There is nothing reasonable about gun advocates

 

They can raise the age to 21. Don’t care. As far as banishing the gun and STANDARD capacity magazines? They can pound sand.

 

there is nothing honest coming from anti gun extremists. no movement in the USA oozes more dishonesty than those seeking to restrict honest gun ownership

 

What they have to say is national standards to some degree although I suspect you are loosely referring to "Common Core" as something that the Federal Government dictates to local school districts via the teacher's unions. If that is the intent of your post, then I would wholeheartedly disagree. Federal Government is not involved with the common core in education k-12. What the federal government actually does is offer grants, mostly for early childhood education and certain educational grants for STEM and other educational priorities. In this link, you can see the programs offered, mostly community outreach, which is now a national standard since Clinton and Bush terms, programs for at risk youth, programs for migrant children from refugee children to legal and illegal alien children, to a whole host of other programs. But these are grants, guidelines, etc, not mandates, unless the school district willingly takes the funds and agrees to the arrangement of said funds.

As for suggestion to voters, every newspaper, news website, organization from A to ZZ, and everything in between makes recommendations to its viewers. That is not the power I am speaking of here unless the group is very homogeneous in how it votes, like the NRA for instance. But you don't have that with teacher unions or most unions these days.

 

I don' t know if I can agree with that . teachers unions give lots of money to senate and presidential elections

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-money-teachers-unions-candidate-2020

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/09/educators-break-records-920/

In the presidential election, over 85 percent of education industry donations have gone to Joe Biden. Educators donated $22 million to Biden, compared with $3.7 million to President Donald Trump.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/nat...cle_9e61a2ec-aea2-11eb-9bb4-dfc310e83da6.html

 

LOL, that's funny. Nothing like generalizations with no logical basis whatsoever.

The FPC makes the NRA look like progressive liberals when it comes to gun rights that even the NRA will not go towards such as not following current federal and state gun laws if the organization believes it violates their interpretation of the 2a.

 

As I said, giving money is only part of the power equation. You have to look at the culture, the nation's psyche towards that organization and campaign contributions. It's not the number that is the biggest factor. All the NRA has to do is ask Ted Cruz or Mike Lee and any passage will be stuck in committee or worse. Most organizations do not have that type of "soft power." But the NRA does.

 

I wish they had far more

 

Then you need to talk to LePierre. They have a $250 million annual budget and yet spend, officially, on lobbying about 3.5 million or so, per 2021 numbers. And yet, they were some of the most vocal, through people like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rep McCarthy, etc. They have strategically placed their money in the right "bottleneck" points in Congress to gum up any work for any compromise. And then there is the off-camera, backroom negotiations that most news organizations will only hear about after the fact. All the NRA has to do is say to the GOP members, "we will score this bill" and most of the GOP will simply walk away. You do not have that with most lobbying groups on a national level, or hell, even on a state level. But the NRA still does despite the lack of funding compared to other lobbying groups.

 

LaPierre needs to be fired

 

REALLY? THERE ARE MANY NATIONS WERE IT IS ILLEGAL EVEN TO OWN A FIREARMS. AND THEY HAVE TERRORIST KILLING KIDS, PARENTS, COPS, GOV. OFFICIALS,
AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT U.S. STATES AND CITIES---AS YOU ---SHOULD---WELL KNOW. CHICAGO, NYC, DETROIT, LA, SAN FRAN, AND MANY MANY OTHERS. VERY STRICT GUN LAWS. DO THEY WORK? IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT. WITH ALL THE MASS SHOOTINGS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY. THE MENTALY ILL, AND CRIMINALS---AS YOU ---SHOULD KNOW. DON'T FOLLOW ANY LAWS. SO IMO. YOUR ---SPINNING---TRYING TO FIND A ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.----DO THESE GUN CONTROL LAWS WORK?

 

YOU LEFT OUT THESE GROUPS
1.BLM
2.LGBTQ
3. WOMENS RIGHTS
4.TRANS RIGHTS
5. ABORTION RIGHTS
6. AN-TIFA
7. CRIMINALS RIGHTS
8. NO PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMINALS BY D.A.'S OR A.G.'S

YOU NEED TO CATCH UP ON THESE GROUPS.

 

All the gun advocates honestly want is the honest right to murder people. Kirisute Gomen, "To cut down and walk away." That's what they want.

 

that's such a stupid lie it is laughable. the fact is there are 100 million gun owners and there are less than 3000 murders a year committed by legal gun owners. Your math sucks

 

If you look at English speaking countries, England,NZ, the Aussies, they all had a mass shooting, and they all passed strict laws shortly after. They've worked, and if you know anything about this, you know they've worked.

If you don't know about the subject, maybe you should put your efforts somewhere where you do know what you're talking about.

 

I said the teachers unions have significant power, especially in presidential elections at the federal level, albeit probably more power with the states to varying degrees. I said the federal government throws them big bones, but did not say the federal government doesn't do things for schools that have nothing to do with the unions. So I mostly agree with your post. However, I never said or suggested that common core was a federal program (it isn't). I just said that since no child left behind the federal government has got their nose way into the tent, though very oddly and surprisingly Obama's Every Student Succeeds Act took some authority away from the feds and returned it to the states. Go figure!

I admit that the NRA is far more homogeneous than other unions. That is because the NRA has a singular focused purpose which is 100% in line with all of its members. Nobody joins the NRA (and it is 100% voluntary) who doesn't agree right down the line with the NRA's agenda. No other union can make that claim though that does not make the unions any less powerful. In fact over the last couple of decades the goals and wants of the members have deviated significantly from the agenda of the unions although the unions still control and use the union purse strings. For instance the union with 80-90% of the workers on the Keystone pipeline supported a presidential candidate who promised to kill the pipeline.

 

You are absolutely correct, but we are talking about unions.

 

OH! NOW YOU LIMIT YOUR BOOST TO-- QUOTE: If you look at English speaking countries where before your quote:
The situation is that you already know national gun laws work, in countries that have them. And that the slaughter of children is something you can live with. you didn't limit your boost to --english speaking countires. you left it wide open to (any) nation with gun control laws. i showed you different. but if you want english speaking nations? just look at all the edged weapons used in london where people are knifed, slashed, and killed, should we or they now ban edged weapons? the mayor of london, doesn't ban edged weapons. even with people being harmed with them. what do you think about that?

 

OH! YOU WANTED laws that work around the world? try this one out in france. Migrant Arrested Following Hundreds of 'Syringe Attacks' in France (breitbart.com) in france they use syringe attacks instead of firearms. so should the french now-----ban----syringes? as the title says there are hundreds of attacks. .

 

I think you're shouting because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

Feel free to prove me wrong, with relevant statistics. Like the USA murder rate being 19 times higher than the Brit..

 

OH! now your switching to murder rates? i wish you would stay on one subject. 1st you stated quote: The situation is that you already know national gun laws work, in countries that have them. And that the slaughter of children is something you can live with. then you switch to quote: If you look at English speaking countries now your switching again to quote: Like the USA murder rate being 19 times higher than the Brit. it seems if you can't win on one subject---you change to another. most people call that ---SPINNING!!!

instead of briton: lets use france, as i posted above without firearms Migrant Arrested Following Hundreds of 'Syringe Attacks' in France no firearms but still (MASS ATTACKS) on civilians. how about Zimbabwe, can't own any firearm with special permit from the government. like other African nations. yet schools are attacked. kids killed-kidnapped, the terrorist & criminals don't bothering following gun control laws. mid-east? many nations in that area don't allow civilians to own firearms. yet churches are attacked. christians killed. along with children. criminals and terrorist don't bother following silly gun control laws.

in many so. american nations, you have to follow "strict" gun control law for a firearm. and the drug cartels will kill you and your family just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time---or knowing or seeing the wrong things. the drug gangs don't follow the gun control laws wither.

then you have cities like chicago, detroit, nyc, san fran, l.a. and many other liberal run cities with big gun control laws that the dealers, thugs, and mental cases don't follow either.


OK, now were are you going to --SPINN--off to another subject.

 

Wow, so you're saying the founding fathers really screwed up?

 

No, I'm saying the present day interpreters of the amendment are getting it completely wrong and that's not on the FF but on the present day interpreters who have this absolutely insane idea that the amendment is a justification for murder, which it is not.

 

No one but you thinks it’s justification for murder, what does that say? Says you’re making things up and that’s why people don’t take you seriously. There’s 170 million gun owners if they wanted to murder you’d all be deceased by now.

 

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