Gun control compromise

The Court has already ruled the 21 yr age limit to be unconstitutional. The court has also ruled out government "licensing" of a fundamental, listed, constitutional right.

 

I was just throwing this around to see if the left would be theoretically open to a compromise.

 

They aren't.

You can measure the Left's current proposals and predict their future proposals if you understand the following:

"They want to disarm law abiding Republicans while leaving unlawfully armed felons undisturbed."

Unlawfully armed felons operate openly in Blue Cities all across America and they only are able to do so because of the Blue palms they keep greased. Our Prosecutors are not popping them with Rico prosecutions and our FBI is not wrapping them up and putting them out of business because they are part of the Left's political coalition and the FBI and DOJ are too busy investigating school board parents and putting septuagenarian former cabinet officers into leg irons.

All while our streets are filled with fentanyl and sex trafficking of minors. But, Jan 6!

 

there is nothing reasonable about waiting periods

 

The teachers unions are far more powerful-moneywise than the NRA

 

Abortion kills about a million kids a year

 

what do you all think of this? true or not.

it is true all 5 cities do have lots of--gun control laws. and run by liberal dems. do they work?

i think even liberal dems are becoming fed up with silly liberal left city government.

 

It's what they do every time there is gun slaughter. That's now, that's after Sandy Hook, etc, etc, etc...

I didn't say you were part of the Mad Dog wing of the NRA. You didn't waste my time denying it, so thanks for that.

A few days ago, a NY Republican came out in support of gun legislation. A few days later, he ended his campaign because the entire party turned on him. You need to start looking for reality, it has entirely escaped you.

 

The situation is that you already know national gun laws work, in countries that have them. And that the slaughter of children is something you can live with.

 

Well said, but I have trouble with a couple of your nuances or implications. You make it sound like the 2nd amendment was put in out of necessity and a little reluctantly. This was not the case. To wit Washington once said that the right to own a firearm was the second most important individual right per se, just after the right to vote. Secondly the counting of three-fourths did not stem from any 2nd amendment concerns but from the allocation of representatives in the House. And it wasn't 3/4 of blacks but 3/4 of not free (slaves) people.

 

This is not acceptable in my opinion. Both are protected constitutional rights and you should not need to pass a mental exam to do either.

 

I was mostly trying to see how far the left would go to get guns off the streets. We want secure elections, the left wants our guns, but the left doesn’t seem to want to give up something to get something.

 

IMO you glaringly left off probably the most influential lobbies: The two teachers unions, the UAW, and the trial lawyers. Lawyers might be at the bottom but the other two are massively powerful.

 

well it's probably a reaction to all of the attacks.

You want to accuse them of murder and they didn't do anything so they're just looking out for our rights.

I'm not sure that even exists.

This isn't an NRA thing this is a stupid Republican getting roasted as they should.

Republican voters tend to support gun rights when someone goes against the voters they should step down. That's how politics is supposed to work you need to look at reality Republican voters don't want gun legislation.

 

You are looking strictly at the amount of money spent on lobbying. This is the recorded money spent to influence lobbyists per the Open Secrets tabulations. However, what makes the NRA powerful is not the money but its membership, some 5 million-plus who, for the most part, are very loyal to the organization. If you get 5 million members threatening lawmakers that they will not vote for them and they will influence their family and friends to not vote for you, that multiplier effect is very powerful and politicians listen. That is where the power of the NRA holds right now.

 

In some states, the teacher's unions are very powerful and in some states, like mine, they are not. And because the federal government does not officially indulge in the business of teaching or controls some 18000 plus school districts in the nation, I do not consider them in my analysis. I don't think any of the civilian professors at the nation's military academies of its five branches are in unions. Could be wrong. Even the Federal employee unions are not that powerful anymore since Reagan's time either.

UAW is powerful in some areas and is in the top 10, but I only included the top 5 here.

 

Except teacher unions mostly influence state legislatures, not Congress. I am only including those that have the power to influence Congress, the National Legislature.

 

Count me in.

 

Lmao now that was rich

 

So you can't vote with a history of mental illness? I think you'd be disenfranchising lots of Congress critters.

 

an clothes! no more clothes! FREEDOM!!!!

 

I pretty much agree, but deviate slightly with some of your characterizations. The federal government has a lot to say (and more that they try to say) about K-12 education, and got its big start with Bush 43's no child left behind plan. And whether it is because of the teachers' unions power or just to pay back for the votes, Democrats, especially Biden, have tossed many bones their way including giving very short shrift to private and charter schools (because they are generally not unionized) and school choice while proposing all kinds of support for schools and teachers unions in the Dem platform and the Biden-Sanders plan. (Obama ran hot and cold with the teachers unions.) I think the teachers unions have considerable power and pull at the federal level, especially presidential elections, and would be in the top 10 also, although probably not as powerful as the UAW. I think they have more power than the NRA which is how this discussion started.

 

Just like guns.

 

lol most NRA members are fat fudds who literally don't care about AR 15s at all.
Its far past its sell by date and it lacks power. Again: You're missing the actually effective gun lobby orgs like FPC.
Unions have far more members and far more power. The list I wrote is correct.

 

Sure, legalize and deregulate all clothes too, though that's more an issue for the Saudis than it is us.