Why are pro choicers afraid to fight it out state by state?

About one third of the states are going to effectively ban abortions or already have.

About one third are going to keep abortion legal no matter what.

About one third of the states could go either way.

Why are pro choice advocates so afraid to battle the issue out on a state by state basis?

 

Not afraid but basic a human right like bodily autonomy should include EVERY American.

Ever heard of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

We shouldn't have to go to another state to exercise the right of free speech....or will that be next.

 

There is no such right in the U.S. Constitution. I believe the Supreme Court ruled that way a few days ago.

 

Because they know abortion isn't as popular as they want everyone to believe.

 

New York State should recognize my home state's CCW permit. Right?

 

They obviously prefer fighting the centralized and deeply corrupt Federal government where they own the Deep State and can be pretty sure they can outmuscle any challenges. Fighting the Constitutionally envisioned Federalist system is obviously much harder and, like you said, they only have power over a third of the country.

The NY Gun case and the Dobbs case are likely to be joined this week by a decision in West Virginia v. EPA which will likely obliterate the enviromentalists hijacking of the Clean Air Act to allow themselves the ability to regulate greenhouse gases which simply are not under any definition technically pollutants.

Stay tuned, this could be fun. The mechanism behind the WV decision has the ability to destroy a great deal of regulatory law all the way back to FDR's New Deal (note- the Green New Deal will simply be stillborn).

All we need now is for someone to make popcorn.

 

The question is.. is that what you want? Do you want to battle the issue out state by state? If abortion is a right, why is ok for some states to violate it? If the life of the unborn is a right, why is it ok for some states to violate it?

 

Why is a univerally applicable right the subject of popular vote? Would you permit your rights to be on the democratic (majority vote) chopping block??

 

Abortion isn't a right and never has been. Ever. And you can't show me where it's been declared one in the Constitution.

 

So you're saying that people who have a concealed carry permit in one state should never have to find themselves in another state and realize they don't enjoy the same right?

 

Abortion isn't popular at all ... the RIGHT to make the personal decision, IS.

We've tried outlawing the RIGHT to decide before in this country. It was failure - and that was a decision reached in a FAR more conservative
country than the one we have now. This will be a short lived victory for conservatives. 5 years from now, when the only people prosecuted
under abortion laws are the poor, we will be right back where we were in 1973.

 

This is just another leftist, neurotic faux outrage, a different day. They, intellectually, know all of the above to be true but, as usual with them, the sky is falling.

 

;Yes. Just as a gay coupled married in one state shouldn't have to worry about moving to other states and having that cancelled - you agree, right?

 

It will absolutely be fought out at the local level - just as abortion was legal in a number of states before Roe, there will be a drive at the local level
to get out the woman's vote. I'm already seeing posts on Instagram and Facebook from women who I hadn't seen any political
discussion from before, suddenly posting angry posts against this ruling.

 

Awesome. That's how it's supposed to work. Best of luck to all those folks.

 

Terminating a pregnancy was always a tenth amendment issue. If people are angry, they must vote at the LOCAL level to make change.

 

So now we get to the nuts and bolts. How to enforce a law that encompasses a vague line between proving that a pregnancy was terminated
naturally, or induced. The only way to do that is to FORCE a woman to undergo an invasive pelvic exam. What if woman says she will not undergo said
exam. Will you force her to? Conservatives freaked about personal rights infringement when FORCED to wear masks - what are they going to
claim when women are FORCED to undergo an invasive pelvic exam?

 

I still think you are overestimating the support for an abortion referendum and that's why pro-aborters are afraid to let democracy decide.

 

It's a simple answer.

They don't actually believe in choice of any kind.

 

Abortion isn't a right. But, again, you know that abortion isn't as popular as you want us to believe.

 

Clearly you haven't read the laws that make the criminal penalties on the providers.

 

So basically like the war on drugs, the dealers got the big sentence ... how did that all work out? Everyone stopped taking drugs, right? No?

 

Never have met a "pro-aborter". In order for that to be a thing, people would have to be calling for ONLY abortion options in
all pregnancies. Do you have examples of that? No. Didn't think so. Try again.

As I said - there has never been big support for abortions - the support has been for the OPTION of being able to abort if that was the final
decision of the woman involved.

 

No, but all the people sitting in jail right now had fair warning.

Should Joe send out more crack pipes?

 

Which will only ever apply in poor neighborhoods, cause the rich will simply take a "vacation" to somewhere it's legal.
Which puts us right back to the original decision the Supreme Court made in deterring Roe in the first place - that the laws could not be equally applied.