Why are pro choicers afraid to fight it out state by state?

You don't have to go anywhere in America to exercise free speech. That's also expressly called out in the Constitution. Check out the First Amendment.

 

Ok let's get an honest answer to this: Does the unborn have a right to life?

 

Yes. The law considers an unborn child a person. 29 states have a law against fetal homicide.

There's a Federal law against fetal homicide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

BTW, this act was passed with a veto proof majority.

 

Nah they'll still be killing the unborn and bragging about it.

 

Very good. Are you satified to leave it to states like NY and CA to decide that abortion is legal? You want this decided democratically knowing that many unborn "kids" will be "murdered"? I think you want a Constitutional amendment banning abortions nationwide!

 

Neh, I'm more pro-choice than you think. I support availability of abortion in cases like incest, medical emergencies, rape, deformities, birth defects, etc. What I don't support is abortion being used as birth control. I also oppose partial and post birth abortions.

I agree with France's abortion law: abortion on demand up to 14 weeks, then after that two doctors have to sign off verifying that the abortion is a medical necessity.

 

That's the best that can be done in a pluralistic, diverse society. Achieve compromise through the political process. My state is proposing a 15 week limit like many others. When it comes up for a vote, I'll probably vote against it on principle. But many others will vote for it and it will likely pass (most polls I've seen indicate general support for reasonable allowances). And I can live with that as the best you can do in an imperfect world.

 

Fine, I can agree with some of that, though my view is that the woman and her doctor are there to make the decisions concerning the woman's personal health. Period.

But, NONE of your points are of any interest to the Republican party, including the Republican SC justices.

 

What you are seeing is one more increment. There is NO possibility that Republicans will be satisfied with that step.

Read Justice Thomas's statements.

Read the statements of former VP Pence.

Read the Republican religious right.

Their view is that there is a culture war, and they will not stop until there is total victory.

In fact, Justice Thomas states that the next step is to end morning after pills and contraception.

 

You're wrong. Take Louisiana's abortion law. It doesn't ban ALL abortions.

Oklahoma's abortion law gives an exemption for medical emergencies and pregnancies from rape and incest.

 

The point is that those laws are not seen as the final objective.

For example, it doesn't match the call by former VP Pence for a national ban on abortion, much cheered by Republicans.

 

An all out ban, with zero exceptions?

 

And Kansas, Colorado...our next door neighbors still plan on killing the unborn. Mothers who want to kill their unborn children are free to visit or live there .

 

Propaganda

 

Evangelicals say yes.

Pence says there has to be a nation wide ban. I haven't heard him state limits.

SC justice Thomas says the next objective is a ban, includind morning after meds and contraceptives.

Rep. Representative Miller calls it a "victory for white life", and the crowd of Republicans clapped and shouted their approval.

The SC act was only the beginning.

 

I do not think so.

There is serious intent.

Justice Thomas talks about widening the scope, targeting same sex marriage, reversal of Lawrence v Texas (laws against sodomy), etc.

The SC and RNC are inspired.

 

So far, no anti-abortion law is absolute. You're trippin about nothing.

 

Truth

 

No, the next step is to obliterate the Deep State and all the damage the left has caused with it. I'm hoping tomorrow will start that process. Wait for it.

 

NOPE the Unborn Victims of Violence Act does NOT make fetuses legal persons.

NO where in the Act does it give fetuses the rights of the born.....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.

 

Ya. that puzzles me....WHY TF do they make exceptions?

An abortion is an abortion, same procedure same outcome whether the pregnancy was due to consensual sex or rape....

So , again, OBVIOUSLY the righties want to punish women who have consensual sex.

IF they really cared about that "precious life" AND honest .. they wouldn't consider exceptions.

 

And you're incorrect. The law refers to a fetus as an "unborn child" and clearly defines what means.

"SEC. 2. PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN.


Sec. 1841(d): "As used in this section, the term `unborn child' means a child in utero, and the term `child in utero' or `child, who is in utero' means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development,
who is carried in the womb."

 

There is no way to address conspiracy theories such as this.

People want to believe will believe. And, nothing else matters even slightly.

 

Nonsense. One step is not the end of the right wing assault on abortion.

VP Pence:
“Now that Roe v. Wade has been consigned to the ash heap of history, a new arena in the cause of life has emerged, and it is incumbent on all who cherish the sanctity of life to resolve that we will take the defense of the unborn and the support for women in crisis pregnancy centers to every state in America,” he said to Breitbart. “Having been given this second chance for Life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

Also, SC Justice Thomas has stated that the US direction must be an end to abortions, including morning after medications.

As Pence stated, all we got was a "new arena". In NO WAY do these Republicans see this as the end of the story.

 

The Democrats should have codified abortion a long time ago.

Instead, they ****ed up and thought the Supreme Court could make law. They made the same mistake with gay marriage.