Is Tony Ornato, the SS guy denying Hutchinson testimony, a liar?

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    Who?
     
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    The only hole is that it's hearsay, and she didn't deny it. She only repeated what she was told.

    If there are holes in the story, cross examine Ornato, who told her the story.

    But, according to Olivia Troye and Alyssa Farra, via first and experience with Ornato, Ornato is capable of denying what former Trump staffers (Namely Olivia Troye and Alyssa Farra) who wised up quit drinking the kool aid said.
     
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    Her word about something that someone told her is not her word it's hearsay.

    It would be laughed right out of an actual court of law if this wasn't just a dog and pony show kangaroo court for public consumption to try to take the focus off of them
     
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    Incompetent rebuttal: cheap shots are a non argument.
     
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    It's her word that she related accurately the story told to her by Ornato, noting that Engel, who was in the car, and, via questioning by Cheney,
    She testified that Engel didn't deny or refute Ornato's story contemporaneously.

    Of course it's hearsay, which is allowed in a congressional hearing because it's not a court of law. But, it's given under oath and pain of perjury.
    If anyone disputes what she said, the Committee chairman has extended an open invitation for any WH staffer to come forward and testify.
    The entire piont of a hearing it to get everyone's testimony so that the committee can better hash out the facts.

    See, if you get 10 people testifying about an event, you'll get different stories, but you can always bet the truth is somewhere in the middle or you might better
    be able to extrapolate what the truth is, by hearing different testimony. But testifying is the whole point.

    Guess what, whenver a hard core Trumpster testifies, what do they do? They plead the 5th.

    Go figure.
    What is laughable is you are applying court of law standards to a congressional hearing. That's absurd. They both serve different purpose.

    The big difference is that, in a congressional hearing, no one's liberty is at stake.

    Republicans forfeited any right for appearances and claims of bias when they pled the 5th. and/or refused to testify altogether of whom some were indicted for contempt of congress.
     
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    Olivia Troye and Alyssa Farra are nobody's no one has ever heard of.... just like Hutchinson. Trying to make their 15 minutes of fame....


    ""The only hole is that it's hearsay, and she didn't deny it. She only repeated what she was told. "" Good... cross-examine her and find out if she is repeating what was actually heard or if she is putting her spin on it, or outright fibbing, like the liberals on here do....

    I find it laughable, per this this low level aide and assistant to former Chief of Staff , is constantly being "waved into" different offices and let in on highly sensitive issues around the WH... why would Ornato wave a low level aide and assistant to former Chief of Staff and discuss the president during SUV ride?

    ""If there are holes in the story, cross examine Ornato, who told her the story. "" It's not Ornato's story...cross-examine Hutchinson and question her about her story.
    Has Ornato been subpoenaed.. Would it not be very odd the Committee overlooked that?

     
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    Are you here to debate or lecture me? :)
     
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    Would you really like to speak about people who are ignoring subpoenas and people who take the fifth?

    I'm not sure you really want to go there but we can if you want.

    Then that whole pesky hypocrisy and double standards thing will rear its ugly head again
     
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    Nobody with any credibility.
     
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    This isn't a trial.
     
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    It is a show trial -- a witch hunt.
     
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    Nope. She recounted a conversation she had. Nothing more. That is not hearsay.
     
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    Only in Faux Noise land can people not tell the difference between a committee hearing and a trial.
     
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    The story is ridiculous. The committee staff should have checked out her named sources before she testified.
     
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    Am I supposed to be saying that a show trial/witch hunt is a real trial?
    Read more carefully.
     
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    Tell it under oath.
     
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    She was recounting a conversation about a conversation.. That makes it third hand hearsay... She was not in the car and Ornato was not in the car...
     
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    Cross-examine Hutchinson while on the stand and under oath while she is there... why are we dragging people into a story told by low level aide to WH chief of staff ... Does she really think she was so important that a Secret Service would "wave her into" his office and discuss an issue about the president? Cross-examination questions would blow that out of the office in a minute..
     
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    Why don't you want the witness to testify under oath?
     
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    It's the very legal definition of hearsay. Smh.. Jesus wept....
     
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    Why don't you want to cross-examine those that choice to testify... Testifying under oath to a illegit and illegal committee means any referral they put out is illegit and illegal...
     
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    Testify first, then cross.
     
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    That young lady showed a lot of courage by testifying against the will of the Trumpist diehards! The coward WH staff who don't dare to tell the truth should be ashamed!
     
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