The Dutch People Are Rising Up To Protest "Destructive WEF Climate Law"

The main issue with NO2 is it is the precursor of O3 leading to low level ozone that negatively affects plant growth to some degree and negatively affects human health.

The Christmas tree lead-in to this news report made me laugh.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...itrogen-pollution-farmers-protest-2022-06-10/

Nitrogen “pollution” is so “bad” trees are growing faster and in more areas. This of course pisses off the government that has been allowing accelerated deforestation of the country the last few years. Dang trees growing everywhere. Terrible consequences of pollution…..SMH.

 

It's not trees growing faster, it's pine trees. It's a non native tree, and looking at the picture, it seems nothing else is growing there but pine trees.

https://www.hogeveluwe.nl/en/discover-the-park/nature-and-landscape/non-native-selection-forest



While you sourced the Netherlands is the second biggest exporter of cattle or something. Well, that's a heck of a lot of manure for sure.

 

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Nitrogen is the limiting growth factor in most forest ecosystems.

Pines are the most important (and prevalent in many areas) forest trees in the Netherlands. Scots pine are a pioneer native species that often is the first tree to re-establish on abused lands or unnaturally deforested lands. If you don’t know what a pioneer species is, it’s a species that is first to establish and provide cover and soil organic matter on abused land. These pioneer specials allow other species to get a start and succession to biologically diverse “natural” ecosystems results.

The Netherlands are like most other places. They have deforested (and accelerated that the last few years) their country and then complain about the negative consequences of deforestation. Now they are mad that trees are growing. Imagine environmentalists being upset about pioneer species reclaiming land and transforming it back to what it was before man started screwing everything up! It’s bizarre.

The Netherlands are more known for dairy, poultry and hogs. Yes they produces manure. Which can be successfully managed as a nitrogen input for cropping systems. One must pay attention to application methods and timing. And urease inhibitors are very effective at decreasing ammonia volatilization from fresh manure applications. But the government of the Netherlands is actually more concerned about NO2 emissions by what they say. Urease inhibitors decrease emissions of both NO2 and ammonia.

The Netherlands are the second largest exporter of agricultural products behind the US.

 

Tucker had a feature on that issue this evening. The police there are actually shooting at unarmed teens driving a tractor

 

Somebody please let me know when Greta Thunberg offers her expert testimony on nitrogen and its ties to global warming.

 

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Temperature has been falling since 2016.

 

Here's an account.
Dutch Police Shoot Live Ammo At Anti-Climate Rule Protestors
Eric Worrall
Thankfully no injuries reported – but Dutch authorities seem determined to meet their climate targets, even if this means crippling their farming sector, or shooting someone protesting their ruinous agricultural…

 

Where do you get "transporting the problem to other countries"? I made no such statement.

As for stupidity, isn't it pretty stupid to keep polluting our habitat? Nothing is ever that simple, but change has to start somewhere. Even if it's painful.

 

well you have to be capable of thinking. Cause and effect basically.

Sorry for you take away 30% of the revenue Farmers have in the Netherlands then you're going to put most of them out of business so that's going to create a vacuum and the demand for food it will have to be grown elsewhere your people are just going to starve to death if that's what you want you can't just eat hopes and dreams or good feelings for the environment that's not enough to feed the world.

I would accept this concern is genuine if I thought it was their focusing on nitrogen and ammonia produced by farming and ignoring you nitrogen and ammonia produced by air travel. And it's because these Ivory Tower dwelling elites don't know anything about growing food this is Idiocracy these idiots are just telling them to put browando on it because it's got what plants crave.

Or they want people to start to death so that they don't have to share the world with them.

Sure they're either stupid or evil either way it's not good this isn't caring about the environment it's selling it as that so they can get lemmings to agree with them but if you eat food and you like being alive you should probably care about this.

 

It's got what plants crave though!

 

First of all I sourced that pine trees are non-native.
So there is something wrong when those trees grow like crazy and the native plants apparently do not.
The picture from your link only shows no shrubs are growing, but only pine trees. It's abysmal.

And now you assume The Dutch Hoge Veluwe National Park, is an abused land / unnaturally deforested.
A quick google shows it's been a (private) park for over a century.
So if you can't source it's been raped with illegal deforestations like it's done in the rain forrest, you simply do not have a leg to stand on.

Last time I checked, you just do not fertilize a forest. And the idea that dumping insane amounts of any chemical (in this case ammonia and ammonium) into an eco system is going to be a happy thing, sounds as dumb as it is. And yeah, the Netherlands is the 2nd largest exporter.... while the country is tiny as f*ck. It means they are drowning in manure over there.

Seriously. If you would fertilize your yard 10 times over for 2 decades.... you might want to think it through if that's such a good idea.

 

The Netherlands exports so much food, that only the US is able to outpace them.
While there funny thing is, that the Netherlands is tiny as hell.
They still be exporting if they reduce their production by 30%.

And reducing the production by 30% doesn't mean that most of them go out of business.
It means 30% should stop, and the others can just go forth.
So the idea that they are going to starve to death is just a dumb exaggeration,
of somebody who can't sit in an office / ivory tower punching numbers.


So far the Netherlands is just used by the world to produce food, and they are stuck in the manure,... literally.
It's time for countries to solve their own problems and start producing food themselves.
Them Dutch farmers can legally settle anywhere in the EU to do their thing. No excuses.

 

It's got electrolytes

 

the netherlands are above water ONLY because of a centuries long cooperative effort to maintain their system of dykes and canals. they are well aware of this and, despite these petulant axxwholes acting out they will do what is necessary .

 

Any substance in too great a quantity is destructive, including CO2 and nitrogen.

 

Do you think doing the least amount of research into a topic gives you a good understanding of the problem? Maybe read past the abstract. Maybe spend a little more than 5 minutes on it.

Maybe don't just trust this decade's potential Lysenko.

 

Unfortunately we have a growing segment of people who know everything and understand nothing, which means the concept of practical use and productive results are beyond them.
A while back we had some university people out trying to collect signatures on petitions to ban dihydrogen monooxide, an unregulated chemical responsible for a large number of deaths all over the world, and one that all of us are exposed to. The majority of people who read their supporting data signed up, to fight this great evil thing. .

Dihydrogen means it has two Hydrogen atoms. Monoxide means it has one Oxygen atom. Thus it's also known as H2O.
There's almost nothing in the world that some radical genius with tunnel vision can't turn into a cause celebre.

This article reminds me of New York's billionaire Michael Bloomberg when he thought he could run for president. His solution for job losses was to let them all become farmers, because it was so easy. On camera, he explained that you just poke a hole in the ground, drop in a seed and add water- and you have a corn crop. You can be intelligent and a great success in one area, and be a total jackass in another.
Thus if you are wise- you let farmers tell you how farming works, and you listen.

 

LOL. Your link is a description of what mixed native and non native forests consist of. It does not even mention the Netherlands. You may wish to read the links you post.

Scots pine has been native to many regions of Europe and then wiped out by human activity and climate change through the centuries. The Netherlands are no exception.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_sylvestris#Distribution_and_habitat

LOL. Centuries ago before man started destroying forests in Europe the continent was 90% forest. Essentially the entire Netherlands was deforested by 1850 and abused either by agricultural pursuits or direct inhabitation.

The fact pioneer species are growing there now is proof of abuse. If it had not been abused the park would still be late generation succession of deciduous trees. Scots pine CAN NOT compete with other species in healthy ecosystems in the Netherlands. If they are growing in an area it means that area is recovering from abuse.

https://www.ecoteers.nl/en/environm...st-what-about-the-forests-in-the-netherlands/

Nitrogen has a natural cycle in nature. It is neither created or destroyed. It can be mismanaged and that is what is happening in this case.

The forests in the Netherlands are being fertilized by the excess N in the water and atmosphere there. And it is allowing trees to grow better in a European country that at one point had essentially zero forests resulting from human deforestation. And now they are mad that pioneer species are naturally reclaiming deforested land. It’s nuts.

As I’ve said many times. If you don’t like fertilization in agriculture go ahead and change your diet and lifestyle. The ag producer is simply doing what YOU demand through your purchasing habits.

 

False but irrelevant. Exactly what somebody who is clueless about AGW would say.

 

"to solve global warming we have devised a plan for global starvation!"

You may starve to death but at least the earth will not get 1-2 degrees warmer.

 

We must stand with the Dutch farmers on this one.

 

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Thanks for posting this. Your post is the first I've heard of it.