The Dutch People Are Rising Up To Protest "Destructive WEF Climate Law"

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  1. kazenatsu

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    All crops need nitrogen. Modern farms cannot compete in the world market place without adding nitrogen fertilizer. It more than doubles the crop outputs. Get rid of it and crop prices would be much higher, and those farms would not be able to compete with outside imports that are grown in places that do use fertilizer.

    Compost is another option, but is three times more expensive, mainly due to all the labor and processing.

    This is a huge attack on farms. I am not saying there are not other theoretic options that exist, but they are far less pragmatic. It would certainly not be a simple switch.
     
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    The Netherlands also owns about 5 million acres of US agricultural land.

    Sri Lanka went completely organic by banning chemical fertilizers and had a disaster as a result. It heavily damaged their ag industry and significantly increased the need for imported food.
     
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    The reason nitrogen is added to soils is to make up for the lack of natural nitrogen in the soil. The soils are worn out and need more and more imputs to produce.
     
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    I think you’ll find that the WEF is a think tank. Anything that happens in the European Union has EU approval stamped all over it. That’s where all this is coming from.
     
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    The reality is this government isn't doing anything of farmers grow plants and animals that we eat if the Netherlands don't do it someone else will and whatever harmful anti-environmental crap you think is being done will just be moved somewhere else. The Netherlands can't be saved by stupid suicidal or possibly nefarious actions by the government. On this will do is f*** over farmers and make the cost of food higher so poor people as well.
     
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    I think the word think tank is charitable sounds like a stupid tank.

    "Hey you know what I think we should? Eliminate some farming right in the midst of shortages"

    If WEF came up with this shitforbrains idea they are not a think tank.
     
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    well, there is your problem with "smaller government." if the government is not big enough to regulate these matters (and others) across national or state lines, the problem will merely migrate to localities' that will tolerate the destruction.
     
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    The government doesn't regulate on the basis of the betterment of the world in regulates on the basis of the betterment of their pocketbook. Governments are made up of the worst people in society essentially to think of them as profits or gods is the road to destruction.

    Keeping them small and without much power stops them from thinking they are gods when they think they're gods that's when things like the Holocaust happens.

    But go ahead and worship your Lords and saviors that's your business. I'm not talking to people like you. You are dross
     
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    Stupid tanks they are, by design. When we wake up one morning and find we’ve all been dumbed down to the level of peasants and are finally equal, we can then cheer our elite and tell each other the promised utopia has finally arrived.
     
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    bureaucrats are neither "profits nor gods" and many see their jobs protecting the environment as important despite the low pay.
     
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    So quit looking to them to be your salvation. Their job has nothing to do with protecting the environment they could do that if they tried. Do they are probably the cause of most of the problems.

    We are talking about people far to incompetent to operate the private sector.
     
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    Russia is the biggest exporter of fertilizers in the world and exports billons of dollars worth to the US annually. Anyone for more sanctions?
     
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    Despite their low pay...."LOL"

    Almost all the selected politician around the world (G-20 Puppets) are money grubbing, corrupted insiders, that are downright enriched monetarily by the cabal of Technocrats at the top of the pyramid for their active participation in promulgating their assinine and sadistic policies.

    It's what keeps the megalomaniac clowns (WEF, UN, WTO, DAVOS) that are running these promised utopian shitshows in total power and control of the 99.9 percent of bottom feeding peons.
     
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    Yes, Sri Lanka has gone off the rails as well. It’s nuts. Glad you brought it up. People will actually starve there. At least the Dutch won’t starve.

    Foreign investment in farm land happens a lot. I personally know people from the Midwest US who have farmed in South America. I’d rather have Dutch investors than Chinese but that’s just me…
     
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    "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay its price." --Sun Tzu
     
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    I don't pick and choose among them really. Chinese holdings are massively tied to their ownership of Smithfield. Factory pig farming takes a lot of land and produces a lot of ugh. The county beside us successfully blocked a Smithfield farm from being built over runoff water contamination concerns. Basically the state said we made the deal so suck it, and the county said, "and we control the access roads, stop lights, electrical and water service, so screw you both. You can build all you want, but good luck running the place on 1 220 volt line." Canada, on the other hand, owns a LOT of US forestry land. Much of it is held in reserve for the future though. They aren't timbering it at any particularly alarming rate. I think the Dutch holdings are more diversified. I think I read somewhere they have recently bought a lot of land for wind farms. I assume that is either to produce dollars that they can use to buy American goods and services or to get some kind of carbon offset at home (or both).

    Beyond all that, yes Americans give as good as they get in this regard. We will never start a land ownership war with foreign countries. ADM is an American company with powerful influence that owns insane amounts of global land across 160 countries.
     
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    The Russians have already lost. That was decided some time ago.
     
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    Good post. Globalism has consequences I guess.

    I would suspect the wind farm land acquisition is an attempt to outsource “pollution” to other countries through credits as you say. Europe already does this by purchasing ethanol from the US and Brazil. As long as you can make your stats look good on paper at home who cares how much pollution you outsource. LOL
     
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    Lost what and decided by who?
     
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    Just a comment on "wind farm land acquisition".

    In the US, wind farms have given a new source of income to farmers from Texas to North Dakota as they continue to farm their land as they always have.
     
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    I think the main take from Sri Lanka is that a serious mistake got made by leaders who knew jack about farming.

    And, that mistake was rectified.
     
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    Well, we certainly know that we CAN select idiots to make our public decisions! We CAN find people who ARE truly incompetent and give them the decision making authority.

    But, that is on us. When we accept stupid, we get the stupid.

    But, the take away from that is that we should be selecting leaders who are educated and inclined to seek information from experts in the fields of endeavor their acts will impact.
     
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    The collective is by their nature stupid, because there is so much information and everything is so complicated.

    The people can't know everything about everything. Even on this forum, people often have short attention spans and their brains glaze over at a long post that is full of details.

    When this law was being proposed, most of the people and politicians probably had no clue what it would do to farmers.

    The world is full of unintended consequences.
     
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    That's not an excuse.

    We do not need every individual to be well informed on every topic.

    What we DO need is far better decision making in where we get the information we need to make decisions.

    It didn't require a college education to realize that Marjorie Taylor Greene has NO business being in the US House.
     

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