Kansas voters block effort to ban abortion in state constitutional amendment vote

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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    Actually no, there isn't necessarily.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Are all of these women real or made up?
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Judging from the number of exclamation points I doubt you are smiling unless you yell and smile at the same time.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Bruh! I see you know I am always correct.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t see how that was twisted from anything I said
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't "twisted" it is just obvious.
     
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    So moving issues from the FEDERAL level to the state level is indicative of authoritarianism, now that is ridiculous! I'm sure Cannabis users around the country are ROFL at this revelation ;)
     
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    How is giving people a vote on an issue and not making it an issue by decree authoritarian? Lol
     
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    Let's see these stories you're claiming, context matters. Women vote in this country, of course their voice is heard lol. Kansas, a red state, and this story is a great example.
     
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    Yes and trying to get clarification so there is no misunderstanding.
     
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    How ironic. As others are noting, this IS democracy. People actually voting on stuff in their state rather than having legislation from the bench.

    Exactly, thank you. But they are not liberals. They are leftists which is radically murderous and authoritarian. Shut up, obey, get in the pods and eat the bugs.

    True and thank you for using the term "leftie" rather than "liberal". Liberalism is about freedom. The last thing on Earth a leftist wants.

    Projection? Who fought for the right to vote about abortion, and who just legislated from the bench, taking peoples right to a say in something of staggering political import?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In person early vote. This is absolutely favors the Democrats. Which is why purple states with red legislators are trying to reduce early voting duration, time and locations.

    Of course trumps cult pick did well — its Kansas.

    That women and the youth vote is up 250% should terrify the right because we both know when America votes the Republicans lose.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because many states are banning it — many without exceptions for rape.
    People should have to vote on that and in many red states they will not even be given the opportunity
     
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    You do realize that 5 of the 7 justices in the 7-2 vote for Roe v Wade, were appointed by Republicans, that R v W was upheld by numerous subsequent court cases involving Republican appointed justices spanning some 50 years?

    Apparently straight ahead's head is not so straight on this point.
     
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    The results of the vote shows the government involvement in the matter was authoritarian. You did not understand the point.
     
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    You may want to reconsider your position, registered Republicans outnumber registered Dems in Kansas at almost 2 to 1. It's starting to sound like this is more of a political issue for you to claim some Dem win. It's rather obvious that the Republicans in Kansas voted against this ban, just like we told you they would. You see most in this country are down the middle on this, certainly not abortion until birth nor abortion ban. It appears instead of being glad you were wrong that red states would ban abortion hurting women, you're more interested in using it as a political football.
     
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    What? How was the supreme court ruling authoritarian?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People shouldn’t be allowed to vote on whether or not a raped child should have to carry their fetus to term.

    Many red states do not allow voter referendums and the right is already talking about national bans if they win

    Spare me

    Thank you for your opinion I guess?

    Again, essential rights should not be something that is voted on.
    Put this to a test in all 50 states and you might have two or three of the states that resemble third world nations vote in favor.
     
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    Got any links to such?
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    RvW was not law?

    Scotus rulings have the effect of law, until Congress overrides it with legislation.

    It was a right granted by R v W, in the 'penumbra' sense, as is the reasoning used to grant citizens the right of privacy of which bodily autonomy is part.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/contraception-marriage-and-the-right-to-privacy

    The First Amendment has a penumbra where privacy is protected from governmental intrusion,” the Court said. “While it is not expressly included in the First Amendment, its existence is necessary in making the express guarantees fully meaningful.”

    R v W repeal is seen as a ban because it paves the way for red states banning it, and a conservative administration, if ever gaining power, has admitted they (McConnell et al) intend to introduce legislation to ban it at the federal level.

    Technically you are correct, but you can't blame dems for spinning it as a ban, not to mention the Rapist's bill of rights being enacted in some red states which force teens and preteens to give birth against their will, and they vowed to investigate and/or prosecute anyone (including the doctors ) that aided them in that abortion.

    Now don't tell me the right doesn't spin to forward it's agenda, and you are going to object when the left does the same? Come now.
     
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    Its 100% political — any party that supports forcing raped children and women to have their rapists child deserves to be destroyed.
    If this is what it takes for voters to see what y'all have become, good.
     
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    First of all the vote was 60/40. It wasn’t some blow out. Second of all, we WANTED them to vote. You folks didn’t.
     
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    Interesting. Usually the left only complain about the appointments of conservative SC Justices (like they did with the Trump appointees). You're applauding those conservative justices that voted for R vs. W but criticizing those conservative justices that overturned that mistake. Whereas the liberal justices kept the course in both rulings. What this tells you is that conservative justices can admit when they get something wrong while liberal justices never will. :)
     
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    Nah! State wide voting is far more voter inclusive than national.
     
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    It is not essential and it isn't a right. And while I wouldn't support it, yes, someone with the belief that life begins at conception might think allowing a child to abort a fetus created by a rapist will expose this minor to being condemned burn in heck forever and have other disastrous social implications.

    A child raped and impregnated is a crisis and people will rally to help her. With an absolute right to abortion? It is her problem, her mundane "choice" if she chooses to keep it. A very socially destructive attitude some women oppose. They have a right to oppose abortion on demand which the USSC took away. That right, that essential and fundamental right has been restored to women.
     
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