Griner gets 9 years in prison

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  1. independentthinker

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    I agree with your point, but for historical perspective keep in mind that bipartisan majorities of our elected congresscritters gave us the Unpatriot Act 20 years ago, and their successors have renewed it at every opportunity.

    Only 1 man in the Senate voted against that act, and that was a Democrat. Also, the notorious for the Deep State Church Committee was headed up by a Democrat.
     
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    Cheer is the wrong word, and there is no comparison between finding a new job and going to prison.
     
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    The USA is a democratic constitutional state under the rule of law. In contrast to this, Ruzzia is a state of terror ruled by a mafia-like gangster syndicate.
     
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    This applies to normal countries, not to Ruzzia. Ruzzian authorities have no right at all.
     
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    Our penultimate POTUS tried to steal an election and get his own VP hurt or killed.
    That's not what I asked.

    Why are you trying to claim that Americans can break laws in other countries without penalty?
     
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    He belongs in prison for that.

    Not in other countries, but in ruZZia. Gangsters of the RuZZian authority have no right to punish anyone. Certainly not foreigners.
     
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    A common theme to fall back on, but ask the folks here, even the Democrats, what they think and see for yourself. I'm a Democrat and I want every piece of garbage that rioted that summer to be caught and prosecuted, just like I want every piece of garbage that rioted in the capital building to be caught and prosecuted.
     
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    He does and hopefully until his last breath.
    Please link to the laws you think provides Americans carte blanche break laws in other countries.

    Based on some information I read this morning, Putin is having his own citizens jailed and some executed with a bullet in the back of the head. I don't know if that's true but, assuming it is, I would say he's not losing any sleep over punishing non-Russians.
     
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    Nobody's asking for a "get out of jail" free card here.... But 9 years for a product which is legal throughout most of the free world and only carrying personal quantity level... 12-18 months would have been a fully appropriate sentence for the "crime" committed here...

    This may not have been a political trial, but it's certainly a political sentence...

    I'll remember your stance when the heavy sentences start coming in for sedition in America.... vs a vape cartridge....
     
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    LOL. Guess you didn't look at my links.
     
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    I didn't mean Americans specifically. Anyone is allowed to break ruZZian "law".
    There is nothing morally wrong with that, because ruzzia itself is the manifestation of immorality. :)
     
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    That product is illegal here as well… not that I agree it should be(it shouldn’t, I want full legalization), but it is the law of the USA as well.
     
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    No one cares to hear your opinion stated as though it is somehow a fact when you are incorrect
     
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    It's good but that might be a stretch.

    I recall a person in the UK who took on a major Hollywood studio on a licensing agreement infringement (he was clearly in the right) and won. He was only able to afford the best lawyers because of their legal aid system. Here, he would have needed to find someone to take the case pro-bono. Not sure how well he would have fared in that situation.

    Our legal system is good but others (obviously not Russia) are its equal or better. I think it's wise to keep things in perspective. Especially where the law is concerned.
     
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    Your position seems to be based on your assessment of Russian authority.

    How is that any different than a non-native coming to America, committing a crime here and then saying "you have no authority over me because I don't recognize the US as a democratic country."?
     
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    Russia's drug laws are rather moderate by world standards. In Saudi Arabia they'll execute you for it.

    A couple of months ago another American was sentenced to 14 years for drug smuggling. It doesn't seem out of line with how Russia has been handling cases like this recently.
     
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    I would debate that the UK's is better, maybe more confusing, but better...Not in my opinion. The constitutional right to trial by jury alone trumps the UK system.
     
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    A college education is wasted on many jocks.

    “Despite the NCAA’s insistence that it is concerned about student athletes’ academic growth, it often feels as though “student” plays second fiddle to “athlete.” Indeed, on a typical day, a visitor to the NCAA homepage will be overwhelmed by the articles (and videos) about athletics but will not find a single article (or video) about the academic achievements of the athletes.

    This also seems to hold true for many of the NCAA’s member schools. The University of North Carolina and Syracuse are just two of the most recent universities to be under the spotlight for academic scandals involving student athletes. UNC offered a “no show” class for student athletes (where students received grades for phantom classes that they didn’t attend), and Syracuse allowed academically ineligible athletes to compete. And while these cases are the ones currently grabbing headlines, they are hardly unique; The Chronicle of Higher Education is reporting that 20 additional schools are being investigated for academic fraud.
    TIME MAGAZINE, Why Student Athletes Continue To Fail, BY ZÓCALO PUBLIC SQUARE , APRIL 20, 2015.
    https://time.com/3827196/why-student-athletes-fail/

    But is not just athletes -- the entire land based higher education system in the US is, for the most part, an obsolete boondoggle.
     
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    You could be right. :)

    It doesn't depend on his misjudgement of the USA. On the other hand, it's widely known that ruZZia is a state sponsor of terrorism. Such a country doesn't have the right to convict people by a "court".
     
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    Repeating yourself isn't providing any information that supports your position so I'm going to jump off this merry-go-round.
     
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    I love my wife but don’t bitch about what she needs to improve on in public.
     
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    Let me see here…if ********* about China’s cultural norms of enslaving innocent people and committing genocide you’re a racist. But when Russia does something the puppets for China say that’s different. Can you guys at least be consistent please.
     
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    That was just one example. I don't want to get into the weeds. I think the US system is good but it's jingoistic to assume it's better than everywhere else in the world in all instances. You can of course be tried by jury in the UK in most criminal cases. Their system is more confusing but it's a layerd system that has come about over 1100 years rather than one based on a specific constitutional system. I would still maintain it can better favor the little guy in big money civil cases because legal aid is available to pay costs. To the best of my knowledge, nothing like that exists here. Your best hope is class action or pro-bono.
     
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