Elderly California store owner fires at armed robbery suspect who shouts, 'He shot my arm off!’

Aha. So you concede that most criminals simply get their guns from people who are used as strawman / middleman.
And this is how you react to that? lol

I can only conclude you people just love it to buy and sell guns without background checks for the sake to have life easy, and fake jaw drop that eventually criminals end up massacring people with your gun.

Most of the US want tough gun laws and are fed up with your idea's that more police and more guns should work.
Nothing shows your kind of fail policies work, while there are more and more guns around in the US.
What does work is tough gun laws, every equally rich, highly developed western nations shows this.

 

Most criminals steal their guns. Of course all guns start out as legal purchases. Because we have laws about that sort of thing.

What would you want some sort of ATF agent to demand entry into the home every year or so to make sure the gun is still there?

 

The point is you said that the straw purchase laws where weak and pointed out a situation that was NOT a straw purchase.

Straw purchase laws are there to stop people buying guns for criminals, a father buying his son a gun is not a straw purchase. Underage kids can possess and use guns, that is LEGAL, criminals CAN NOT

If you are going to argue about straw purchases you might want to actually know what the law is

 

you were talking about buying guns for criminals (straw purchase) a father buying a gun for his son is not buying a gun for a criminal, being underage is not against the law lol

And it is against the law for a father to purchase a gun for his son if his son is an illegal possessor. federal law states

"A person may transfer a firearm to an unlicensed resident of their state, provided the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law."

"A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any state for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if they do not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law. "

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca

 

Oh is it?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-how-dangerous-people-get-weapons/
So how do gang members, violent criminals, underage youths and other dangerous people get their guns? A consistent answer emerges from the inmate surveys and from ethnographic studies. Whether guns that end up being used in crime are purchased, swapped, borrowed, shared or stolen, the most likely source is someone known to the offender, an acquaintance or family member.

 

My entire argument is that American gun laws are weak. I tossed in how most criminals are able to get their weapons through strawman purchases. I sourced it twice that it is. And I gave a prime example how it went down in a rather famous case of Kyle Rittenhouse. It's a clear example of a strawman purchase. Kyle himself got nothing, and the strawman got fined for 2k. I am calling that a gun law so weak, that it's a total joke.

My argument is not if what Kyle did is legal or not. My point is how weak the gun law is!
I can not emphasis enough that my point is about WEAK GUN LAWS.
Criminals use this weakness to obtain guns, and commit crimes.

I really thought this was not to hard to follow. But there is you. lol

 

It depends. A machine gun might be useful if BLM rioters were descending on your store.

 

You notice how it says stolen right there in your link?

Also a Cbs article without citing statistical evidence is worthless

 

them doing that is a FELONY so how is that a weak law? You want gun laws to hurt the criminals but NOT infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens, punishing people who already follow the laws does nothing to stop criminals.

Straw purchases are a FELONY how are you not understanding this?

 

That's what happens in the UK.
Not just to check it is still there but also that it is secured in a locked cabinet with ammunition in a different location.
Any violation of the rules can result in losing your licence and confiscation of your guns.

 

We are not the UK. We have a right to bear arms to defend ourselves.

The way you are speaking about how they are stored is completely useless for that.

 

How fortunate we Americans are, to not have to put up with any of -that- BS.

 

You can say it's a felony all you want. But it's not stopping anybody, now is it? You said yourself that millions of guns are handed over/sold/borrowed to others. It's not like if a cop is every going to search a persons house to find out if the deadly weapon bought is missing because it was handed over/sold/borrowed to some criminal. It's not like the person who initially bought the gun is ever required to prove he still has the gun in it's possession and hasn't caused it to end up with somebody the government did not check out. Even a car has a pink slip, but a deadly weapon.. neah. Lets not cause a law abiding citizen to compel to comply with the law. Let's just hope it does with deadly weapons.

The road to hell is paved with law abiding citizens.
But in the end, their kids are massacred at school a heck of a lot more compared to other western nations who got tough gun laws.

 

I noticed. Everything adds up, and it ends with:
the most likely source is someone known to the offender, an acquaintance or family member.

So that's the most likely source.

 

A machine gun is a potent and legal defense against any mass attack.

 

How about we make laws making it illegal to go and shoot people for no good reason?
Or perhaps we can make laws making it illegal to steal firearms or provide them illegally?

I know we can just make guns illegal and no one will get shot anymore that's how we got people to stop doing drugs.

 

Or perhaps make people prove that they guns they bought are still in their possession, locked away safely where you can't steal them.
That just might solve the nr 1 reason how criminals get their hands on guns.

But all in all, US laws about guns are just too weak.
They are all over, and only checking those buy from a store isn't solving a thing.

 

well here is an idea then if your worried about straw purchase or guns given to a son.. how about we make it against the law for people to use a "straw purchased" weapon or a gifted weapon to murder someone? See problem solved! that one law solves all your worries now doesnt it?
Of course its already against the law to murder someone with any weapon so it kinda makes that law redundant but if it makes you feel better then I would be fine with that law.. of course it would just be another law that criminals will ignore but at least you will feel better right?

 

It's the nr one way how criminals get a gun, and here you are thinking it's just me being worried.

This is how it already is, but it can't be checked if the strawman is a strawman.
The current law is weak.

 

Murder can get you executed or life in prison as a maximum sentence.. maybe you should be bitching about the judges that give weak sentencing to violent criminals instead? We already have laws that protect everyone from every gun. Getting tough on the actual criminals and not letting them out of jail solves the problem. So rather than demanding the laws we already have on the books actually enforced you want to make new laws that will also be ignored by criminals and just infringe on reg people? its completely illogical

 

So you want guns to be totally useless for self-defense.... First and foremost.

Then you want to firearms registry where you have to prove your innocence in order to own private property.

No thank you.

You should consider moving to North Korea or any other totalitarian regime because it sounds like you enjoy living under a police state.

I have a better solution we just start enforcing the laws that already exist

 

I noticed your source is from CBS News and they do not cite any statistics.

Why don't you try something more credible like the FBI or the justice department?

 

I wish liberals would go to Cuba or NK

 

That's where you went wrong.
You made it far too easy for the wrong people to acquire firearms.

 

Instead of enforcing the laws that we already have....( That criminals are already ignore) their "solution" is to add more laws that criminals will ignore but they will only burden those who obey the law already.

It's as though rational logical common Sense never enters the equation....

But of course it makes sense because their agenda is not to stop crime, their agenda is to take guns out of the hands of those who are already obey the law